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Re: [aur-general] Proposed rules for packages entering [community]
by Daenyth Blank 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

> 89/97 packages with 0% usage on package stats have 5 votes or less. So this > would achieve a net result of nothing. > Allan > I didn't realize that was the case. I retract my point then.

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Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting
by Daenyth Blank 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 08:23, Daenyth Blank <daenyth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> - It was proposed to add a safe flag on TUs packages in the AUR to encourage >> TUs to leave packages out of community while still being marked in a way as >> they are known to be good PKGBUILDs > > I missed this part... luckily. Safe flags were happily killed with a > few months ago. If you mean to add them to [community] packages only, > then it doesn't make sense to me: to make a TU you don't just need the > User, you also need the Trust. Either you don't T the U from the > beginning (and s/he doesn't get elected) or you T, and then you don't > need to flag anything. If someone notices an anomaly in a TU's > PKGBUILD quality, it should readily be reported to the list to take > action. The idea was that some people were putting packages in community which didn't need to be there, for the reason that having it in community assures that it's safe. If it were brought back, it would be for the purpose of encouraging TUs to use unsupported for packages that don't belong in community, while still allowing users to see *at a glance* if the package was made by a TU or not. Maybe code can explain better... on_upload { [...do stuff...] flag_unsafe $package if $uploader.is_a_tu then flag_safe $package }

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[aur-general] TU Meeting
by Allan McRae 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Hi TU's, I would like to organize a TU meeting on IRC to discuss the results of the pkgstats script and the direction for the [community] repo. I am probably the person with the worst time zone issues so I am happy to take a very late night time slot. I guess a weekend would be best to deal with the multiple time zones. So how are peoples availabilities (provide times/timezones): 15/16 November 22/23 November 29/30 November It would be good if someone (who isn't me...) sets up a temporary wiki page to handle this. Allan

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Re: [aur-general] community back-end rewrite
by Loui Chang 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 11:35:18AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > Hi all, > > In the TU meetings there was some discussion about doing a > rewrite/update/fix-up of the [community] back-end. I am not sure who all is > looking at this and what the plans are - hence this email. > > Can people who are looking at this or interested in looking at this give a > ping back to this message with whatever plans you have or work you have > already done. > > Things I want to flag: > - we should get a git repo for a community-backend project on the arch > server and separate this from the aur site code. - we should switch SCM > tools from CVS. I am strongly in favour of using the same system as the > main repos which would allow much code reuse and easily get us a testing > repo for community packages. (No more big rebuild issues!). I'm involved with AUR development and have recently studied and begin to understand the tupkg code. Some improvements based on that activity will be put into action soon. I'll continue to help maintain AUR until I feel it has reached a certain point of efficiency and effectiveness where it no longer needs major maintenance. My plan from there is to start design and development on a new system that can be used for repo maintenance in AUR as well as any other package repo project, like arch-games, or even maybe official repos. These were actually some of my main goals in becoming a TU. I don't there is any benefit from putting tupkg code in a different repo than the AUR web interface. They are tied together by the DB and separating them may cause disjointed development and other problems. However we could organise the source tree and document how the system works a little better. Cheers!

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Re: [aur-general] Proposed rules for packages entering [community]
by Loui Chang 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:27:33PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > Hi all, > > As part of the TU meetings it was decided to post the proposal for > restricting packages entering [community] here for discussion before voting. > Here is the current wording: > > [proposal] > > * Only "popular" packages may enter the repo, as defined by 1% usage from > pkgstats or 10 votes on the AUR. > > * Automatic exceptions to this rule are: > - i18n packages > - accessibility packages > - drivers > - dependencies, including makedeps and optdeps > - packages that are part of a collection and are intended to be distributed > together, provided the primary part of this collection satisfies the > definition of popular > > * Any additions not covered by the above criteria must first be proposed on > the aur-general mailing list, explaining the reason for the exemption (e.g. > renamed package, new package) at which point a general consensus from the > TUs will be reached. TUs with large numbers of "non-popular" packages are > more likely to be rejected. > > * TUs are strongly encouraged to move packages they currently maintain from > [community] if they have low usage. No enforcement will be made, although > resigning TUs packages may be filtered before adoption can occur. > > [end proposal] Thank you for taking the initiative to put this forward Allan. I really think we've had enough discussion about this topic. Nevertheless the motion requires a set discussion period and voting period. How about five days discussion, and five days voting? Cheers!

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[aur-general] mailing list archives not showing up
by Abhishek Dasgupta 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

The mailing list archives at http://archlinux.org/pipermail/* are returning a 404. -- Abhishek

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[aur-general] My thoughts on the [Community] policy discussion
by Drew Frank 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

Hi all, First off, I'd like to introduce myself so you can weigh my observations appropriately. My name is Drew. I'm a casual Arch user, and until recently my only experience with the AUR was using yaourt to download and install packages (and pacman to install from [Community], but I didn't really understand what that meant). Recently I've been following the discussion on this list regarding how to determine which packages belong in [Community]. Despite my lack of Arch/AUR mastery, I'd like to offer my two cents. I claim: 1. If it were possible to know with certainty that a given package were not in use by anybody (or only by a very small number of people), there would be overwhelming agreement that the package does not belong in [Community]. 2. Both vote counts and pkgstats statistics, as they are currently generated, are flawed metrics of package popularity. 3. Nearly all of the controversy over various [Community] admission policies stems from the fact that different people place different levels of trust in the information provided by votes and pkgstats. I feel like I'm a bit late to the party, but unless there is a critical need to act now my recommendation would be to first set up a system whereby accurate usage statistics are obtained and then proceed to develop policy based on accurate, interpretable statistics. Drew

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[aur-general] huge differencies between i686 and x86_64 community repo
by Jaroslav Lichtblau 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

Hi fellow TUs! A quick look on the nice page showing differencies between our i686 and x86_64 repos [1], shows a pretty impresive list in our [community] repository. Could we please work on this a bit and keep it synchronised! IMHO even if some of us don't have access to both architectures, we can talk to someone who does and builds it for us. Have a nice day Jaroslav [1] http://www.archlinux.de/?page=ArchitectureDifferences -- Die Liebe ist der einzige Weg, auf dem selbst die Dummen zu einer gewissen Größe gelangen. -- Honoré de Balzac

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Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting
by stefan-husmann＠t-online.de 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

-----Original Message----- > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:02:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting > From: Allan McRae <allan(a)archlinux.org> > To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Hey all, > > Well the meeting went ahead. Not a great turn out.... > > Here is the log: > http://dev.archlinux.org/~allan/tu-meeting-2008-11-29.txt > > Allan > > Hello, maybe it is due to my low irc experiences but I believes I was in the correct channel at nine pm. yesterday and ten yesterday , but nothing happened. Stefan

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Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting
by Loui Chang 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, w9ya wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Loui Chang <louipc.ist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 01:44:30PM -0700, w9ya wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Loui Chang <louipc.ist(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > My apologies. The list [1] is a survey of packages with under four > > votes > > > > done a couple of weeks ago. > > > > > > > > This is the data represented, in order: > > > > number of votes > > > > size in KB > > > > package name > > > > > > > > Remove: [0] 2888.58 jump-project > > > > > > > > At the end are some totals. > > > > > > > > [1] http://omploader.org/veDEy > > > > > > > > > ANALYSIS of your data as presented: The data you have generated merely > > shows > > > some low single digit reduced server space reductions gained from removal > > of > > > these pacakges. It does NOT show any other impact in and of itself. I > > again > > > ask for a declared meaning to the numbers. > > > > Please look at the totals Bob. These are not low single digit > > reductions. > > Yes, as a percentage they would be. And when looking at statistics, that > would be the most important numbers; i.e. How big a percentage difference > will this make. I'm not going to look up exact numbers right now, but [community] takes up about 11G. This would reduce space usage by about 1G, so that would make about 9% reduction in disk space. The proposal that will currently be tabled will not effect packages currently in [community] though. Cheers.

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Re: [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] Is pizzapunk still around?
by Loui Chang 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:15:30AM +1000, Jud wrote: > Does anybody know if Alexander Fehr aka pizzapunk is still around? > > He has growing list of out-of-date packages. > > I can supply diff's for: > aria2 > transmission-cli > transmission-gtk > xarchiver > > There are many more in extra and community: > <http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=pizzapunk&SeB=m> This is more appropriate for the aur-general list. Yes he's still around. Last I heard he was requesting access to [community] because he was mistakenly removed. I'm not sure what the status of that is now.

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Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting
by Loui Chang 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 07:36:19PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > The minimum of three votes is clearly flawed if you look at the pkgstats > usage and compare the number of votes. In fact, I linked to another plot > which clearly shows this. The number 20 was a guideline that was around > when I first joined as a TU and if you look at the pkgstats results and try > separating packages with more or less that 1% usage, the optimal number of > votes arrives very near to 20 so I stuck with it. My point in a three vote minimum was to prevent blatant exploitation of [community]. There's nothing flawed about it. The repo should be allowed a fair amount of leeway in terms of what is included. This isn't [core] or [extra] after all. At this point I wouldn't agree with anything higher than a five vote minimum.

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[aur-general] TU meeting
by stefan-husmann＠t-online.de 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Hello it comes late, but hopefully not too late: may I ask for a key to #archlinux-tu ? I think I do not have one. Stefan

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[aur-general] amarok2 beta packages doubles
by Christian Scharkus 27 Nov '08

27 Nov '08

Hi I just looked for some package containing the latest beta of the amarok music player but there are two packages containing beta3 (amarok2 and amarok-beta3). May the question is childish but: why two packages with the very same content? It just puzzles beginners. Ofcause for archivement are packages like amarok-beta2 and amarok-beta3 useful but only few users use old beta-software and it messes arround in AUR in my eyes. Greetings Raubkopierer

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Re: [aur-general] TU Meeting
by Ronald van Haren 27 Nov '08

27 Nov '08

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Firmicus <Firmicus(a)gmx.net> wrote: > Daniel J Griffiths a écrit : >> >> Daenyth Blank wrote: >>>> >>>> For Allan will be in the morning, for people who are in Europe will be >>>> late at night 2am or 3am.. Someone wanna try with some hours? I >>>> propose 10 pm at GMT +01:00 for Hugo,Kessia,Paulo and USA people will >>>> be in the day (I don't know if you guys can be available on "day", >>>> it's hard, it's a sunday, i understand perfectly if you can't), what >>>> do you think guys? >>>> >>> >>> I think I can manage that. 16:00 for East coast USA >>> >>> >> >> Sounds good to me. >> > > Should be OK with me too. > Hopefully I won't make a fool of myself, being a total neophyte (aka n00b) > as far as IRC is concerned :) > > So I guess everybody is okay with next sunday at 10pm GMT +1:00. Anyone cares to remember me the #archlinux-tu@freenode key on private mail please, I think I've lost it. Thanks. Ronald

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[aur-general] Duplicate kaffeine for KDE4 packages.
by Peter Lewis 26 Nov '08

26 Nov '08

Hi there, I'm the maintainer of neither, but I reckon that these two are duplicate packages: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=19155 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=20013 Should one be deleted? Thanks! Pete.

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[aur-general] can not update community package
by Sergej Pupykin 24 Nov '08

24 Nov '08

Hi, Packages does not appear on ftp and web interface after uploading and tagging. (both arch trac, openmotif-x86_64) It seems something broken...

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[aur-general] Mozilla Firefox doesn't update because of xulrunner
by Martin 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hello all. If I try to upgrade Mozilla Firefox it doesn't work. :: Starting full system upgrade... resolving dependencies... error: cannot resolve "xulrunner=1.9.0.4", a dependency of "firefox" error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: firefox: requires xulrunner=1.9.0.4 I tried to get xulrunner in AUR but it wasn't there, too. I thought this could be a good hint for you. I want to excuse my english, I'm no native speaker and new to Linux. Greetings, Martin

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[aur-general] Please remove an accidentaly created package
by Borislav Gerassimov 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi, I've just adopted the bluez-git package. I uploaded a new pkgbuild,but I forgot to change the pkgname line... Please remove the bluez package from aur. I'm really sorry about that... Borislav Gerassimov

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[aur-general] How to make CVS work again
by Simo Leone 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Hey guys, During the server changes today, the path to the community CVS tree changed. In order to make your existing checkouts work again, please run the following at the root of your CVS checkout: find . -path '*CVS/Root' -exec sed -i 's#/home/cvs-community#/srv/cvs/cvs-community#g' {} ';' CVS will ask you to re-login if you had your credentials saved, due to the change in path. In addition, CVS may not be available until tomorrow morning due to permissions issues with the CVS lock directory, as soon as someone with sudo wakes up, this should be fixed. -S PS: There is a whole slew of documentation about the AUR that now needs updating for the new path, anyone that wants to tackle this gets a hundred gold stars and a bunch of thank-you's.

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[aur-general] Eclipse plugin packaging standardization proposal
by bardo 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Hi all. Maintaining a few Eclipse plugins in [community] I stumbled in a lot of difficulties while packaging them. I then decided to create a PKGBUILD prototype for these package and propose it as a packaging standard. I'd like to have some input from the community, TUs and devs about this. If the response is positive I'll wikify the whole thing and make it available to everyone. You can find the prototype here[1], along with the explanation of how it works and why. Thanks, Corrado [1] http://blog.bardland.org/2008/11/20/arch-linux-eclipse-plug-in-packaging-a-…

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[aur-general] WANTED: Enthusiastic Bluetooth Package Maintainer
by Aaron Griffin 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Join the exciting world of Arch Linux:- Red Carpet, Limos, Lingerie Parties, Magazine Covers... If you expect any of that then don't apply. We are looking for a maintainer for the bluetooth-related packages in the official ArchLinux repos. None of the current developers make use of this technology and thus are unable to maintain them at the level we'd like. So we're going to open up the floor here for anyone who actually USES and CARES about bluetooth on Arch. For the time being, this offer is open to TUs only. If we cannot find someone, we may make a public announcement. Skills required: - Teamplayer - Proactive and shows initiative - Excellent Communication Skills - Experience with Bluetooth Hardware and Software - Own 64-bit Hardware with Arch Linux (optional, but a huge plus) - Own Bluetooth Hardware - Competent understanding and practical application of the Arch Packaging Standards <http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Packaging_Standards> Send a profile outlining yourself and your relevant skills and experience to: aaron(a)archlinux.org

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[aur-general] Anyone want ot adopt VirtualBox?
by Andrea Scarpino 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Hi DEVs/TUs, I don't using virtualbox since months and now who my desktop is dead I can't build it on my laptop @1.7Ghz. It spend more time. Then I want to know if someone of you want to adopt virtualbox packages. It is out-of-date but I've all pkgbuilds ready to work. packages are: virtualbox-additions virtualbox-modules virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-additions virtualbox-ose-additions-modules dev86 iasl xalan-c xerces-c Thanks, best regards -- Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino Arch Linux Trusted User Linux User: #430842

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[aur-general] Please orphan gringotts for me
by Rorschach 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Hi, I want to take over the maintaince of the gringotts package in AUR. It hasn't been updated for months and wasn't packaged correclty. Because of some anti-ptrace protections gringotts needs to have the suid-bit set. I'm pretty familiar with gringotts and contributed some patches upstream for it. I asked in the forum and there I was told to ask on the mailinglist if some TU could orphan gringotts for me. Here's the link to the packkage in AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=1336 . regards

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[aur-general] kernel updates render package obsolete
by Mads Michelsen 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

I'm maintaining the module package fsaa1655g (http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=8281) a job I took over as the package had for all intents and purposes been abandoned. My problem is that every time the kernel is updated - even the smallest update - the package becomes obsolete. I'm pretty ignorant of these things but I suppose that is how things are for some (a lot? all?) non-kernel-modules. The particular problem with this module is that my laptop depends on it for wireless access (it turns on the wireless radio) and so when the kernel is upgraded and the module isn't immidiately upgraded with it, the laptop is restarted, the result is no wireless - which can make it hard to get the module upgraded for one thing. So I guess my questions are: 1) Is there some way around the module becoming outdated with each and every kernel update? and if not 2) For myself, I can just keep the source code on my drive and rebuild it whenever this happens - but is there some way of altering the PKGBUILD to do the same? 3) Any other way around the issue apart from quickly updating the package whenever there's a kernel upgrade? - Mads

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