April 2008 - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org

[arch-general] Azureus
by Ondřej Kučera 22 Jun '08

22 Jun '08

Hello, does anybody know what the deal is/plans are with the azureus package? It hasn't been updated for more than 7 months and it has been flagged out of date for a couple of months now too (as far as I remember). If the devs are not interested in maintaining it, shouldn't it be moved either to community or to unsupported where perhaps someone would pick it up and update the PKBGUILD? Ondřej -- Cheers Ondřej Kučera

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[arch-general] Firefox 3 Beta 5 has No Print Margins tab
by Ralph Alvy 18 May '08

18 May '08

Unlike the Windows version, I find that the Linux version of Firefox 3 Beta 5 has No Print Margins tab. Anyone else confirm this? I downloaded it from the Mozilla website.

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[arch-general] Multiple sound cards
by Stephen Wilkinson 17 May '08

17 May '08

Hello All, I use two sound cards in my computer: * the on-board card (VIA 8237 chipset) * a SBLive! PCI card Until Kernel 2.6.23-ARCH I was able to use either card, in KMix and Skype for instance. But from Kernel 2.6.24-ARCH, only one card appears in KMix and Skype. Back when the two cards worked, I loaded the modules in rc.conf with: MODULES=(snd_emu10k1 snd_via82xx) to ensure that SBLive! (which uses snd_emu10k1) would be the default card, while the on-board card could be used for Skype. Now, even when snd_via82xx is first, only the SBLive! card is detected. I checked what cards were being detected with lspci: * with Kernel 2.6.23-ARCH I get: 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:06.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08) and 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) * but with Kernel 2.6.24-ARCH I get: 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:06.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08) (The full output of lspci is at the bottom of the e-mail) I checked that snd_via82xx module is loaded with lsmod. But in Kernel 2.6.24-ARCH there is only one dsp in /dev. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this may have stopped working in moving from 2.6.23 to 2.6.24? Is it no longer possible to run two sound cards together? I have put the full output of: lspci ls /dev/dsp* ls /proc/asound at the bottom of this e-mail for information. Thanks, Steve To try and understand what's changed, I compared the output of lspci, ls /dev/dsp* and ls /proc/asound when running each kernel. The results are below: * I rolled back to 2.6.23-ARCH, rebooted and checked the following: - ls /dev/dsp* outputs: dsp and dsp1 (symlinks to /dev/sound/dsp and dsp1) - ls /proc/asound outputs: VIA 8237 (symlinked to card1) and Live (symlinked to card0) - lspci outputs: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South] 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:06.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08) 00:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) 00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South] 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3) * I upgraded back to the latest kernel 2.6.24-ARCH, and checked the same: - ls /dev/dsp*: /dev/dsp - ls /proc/asound: Live (card0) - lspci outputs: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South] 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:06.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08) 00:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) 00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) 00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South] 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3) The difference in the lspci outputs is: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) I checked /boot/kconfig26 and the via82cXX module is compiled in (m) for both kernels. I don't think it's relevant, but I use the same mkinitcpio.conf for creating the kernel images in both cases.

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[arch-general] ClamAV should be update to 0.93
by Tino Reichardt 05 May '08

05 May '08

Hello list, clamav should be updated. -- regards, TR

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[arch-general] Closing bugreports too fast?
by Gerhard Brauer 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Hello, i thought about a "trap" in which myself are also fallen sometimes: I look at the bugtracker to see if someone filed already a bugreport for a problem. But i don't find it cause it is already fixed and thereby marked as closed. And without using advandced search functions all searches are only done on open bugreports. As an example the problem yesterday with kdelibs: In forum thread someone says: i write a bugreport (without posting the number ;-) It was #10312 tpowa provided a fixed package in a nice short time, quickly, and then closed the report (fixed). But users in the forum have had problems to find this report cause it was closed. If i look at the history of the report i see: Aaron reopened it, then we have user request for closing an Jan closed it finally again. On such reports (the maintainer knows that many users would/could have the problem, sometimes only during different mirror syncing) i would suggest **not** to close such a report too fast. Ok, it is fixed from developer side (and maybe available on ftp.archlinux.org) but users could run in the problem probably later or tommorrow. I see no problem with reports where the reporter says: ok, it worked, you could close it. And where the maintainer knows: it was maybe a local or a problem on a minor package. But in situations like above it would be helpfully if the report wasn't closed (as well it was fixed on developer side), but maybe in a status like: fixed, scheduled for closing. But the report is "open" and so found on searching. I don't know if the bugtracker have such a function to closed it automatically for ex. after 6 days. On the other hand the maintainer must do this (it's additional work, but i think it's worth). Regards Gerhard -- Don't drink and root!

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[arch-general] funny colors startx
by Eric Dan 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

seeing funny colors momentarily, when starting or shutting down an X session. X itself behaves normally after that. using: [GeForce Go 7400] and nvidia 169.12-2 my "uname -a": Linux dirac 2.6.24-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Mar 30 11:40:06 CEST 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux any other users here having the same experience? Thank you -- Eric

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[arch-general] root CA certificates bundle
by Dimitrios Apostolou 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Hello list, In the past I had set-up some software I use (mpop) to read the root CAs certificates from /usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt but it seems that some update broke that. I could easily find an alternative, since many archlinux packages come with their own CA cert bundle but it reminded me I wanted to post about it... I think it would be better if archlinux had its own CA-certificate-bundle package, and all appropriate packages used that one. As a start we could use the file provided by curl or firefox, wrap it in its own package, and force its installation in every system. Of course this raises important issues concerning security, like how to distribute such a package since plain HTTP downloads (and without any signature verification) that pacman uses are insecure. The problem surely existed before, it's just that creating such a package mandates a solution. Nobody wants to have forged CA root certificates... Undoubtedly the safest is to include it once in the install CDs and never update it through the web, it seems pretty impossible though. So what do you think? Thanks, Dimitris

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[arch-general] Any place where changes in testing are announced?
by Peter Galiovsky 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Hello, after doing a system upgrade after some months, I found out the hard way that the HAL support was removed from xorg-server. I wasted a full hour trying to get my keyboard layouts back before realizing my recreated policy file is fine, it is just not being used... Is there any place -- other than arch-dev-public which I do not read -- where changes in testing are announced and that could save me headaches like this? (Besides, I'm not using an US layout and had no issues with the Xkb configuration through HAL...) Thanks, :g

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[arch-general] new url for cvs.archlinux.org?
by Attila 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

Hi, i read the informations about the new abs and the step behind to svn again but i'm too silly to find where i can look for the changes of a package as before under cvs.archlinux.org. Can someone post the new link or is this still under development? See you, Attila

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[arch-general] KDE brokes after the upgrade of kdelibs
by 董剑宁 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

Hi, everyone. I upgrade kdelibs today(3.5.9-3-i686), then all the kde related applications cannot start. The error message is like this: konqueror: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZThn40_NK10KColorDrag6formatEi kmail: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZThn40_NK10KColorDrag6formatEi ...etc. I use fvwm now, the non-kde-related applications works well, such as firefox, So I guess it is the new kdelibs' fault.

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