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Re: [aur-general] [arch-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] pkgstats: first results
by w9ya 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

You guys asked for some numbers. Below I both answer Aaron and make a stab at how lousy our data really is. On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:44 PM, w9ya <w9ya(a)qrparci.net> wrote: > > If there is a problem with the servers and the load becuase of the > community > > repo, please let's talk about that and how the community can help. I was > > reacting to input that was already forming a basis for using a bot's > output > > to determine and regulate a TU's contribution. Further it was NOT clearly > > pointed out that this was being discussed because of a server/trunk load > > issue UNTIL it was challenged. > > Ok, let me put my entire reasoning quite plainly. > > You think "when the voting was added to the TU system the community > and TUs were SPECIFICALLY told that the voting system would NEVER be > used to make decisions about or demands concerning what any individual > TU decided to add" (which, I might add, I cannot find recorded > anywhere. Would you mind pointing me to some links, please?) > > I think that that's fine, but there is WAY too much garbage thrown > around for no reason other than "oh, I wanted to try this new app, and > put it into community! I stopped using it 3 minutes later, so I > orphaned it" (read: WillySilly). This is unacceptable on the official > archlinux server. It's not in the _spirit_ of the repo. We need SOME > form of metrics, SOME form of control, and we have one. > > So no matter what "TUs were SPECIFICALLY told", I think that's a load > of crap. You will always have people abusing a system. It is my > personally opinion that the voting should matter more to people. If > the voting system is flawed, propose another system. Don't claim "I > should be totally free to do whatever I want on your server" - that > reminds me too much of the Dave Chapelle skit where Rick James puts > his dirty shoes all over the couch. You are not Rick James. I am really trying to understand why you insist on using such limiting an self-depreciating launguage and so forth. I guess to make a point. I wonder about how it reflects on you. In any event; Here are some specifics. There are 11,800 (approx.) registered users and yet the most popular package gets a mere 400 or so votes. Now this is an interesting number as it both represents close to 90 % of the eligible voters AND only 3-4% of the REGISTERED users !! How is this so ? Well, only 500 or so users have downloaded the aurvote package. Further, and this is EQUALLY important to consider, a user can download and NOT be registered at all !! In other words 3 votes can represent a large number (several hundred users). If 3 votes represents many hundreds of users, is having only 2 votes, and let's say a potential of 60 - 150 ACTUAL users ,not a good enough reason to maintain a binary package ? I could go on, but you should be able to understand that before the voting system CAN be used for a metric, it has to reasonably be able to used as such. The current system simply cannot be used as such because the numbers have NO MEANING because they represent nothing of value. Do three votes mean 300 users, or only 10 ? Since we cannot pint to download data, and correlate it to those who(m) vote, and whether those that vote are the most focused users or that they represent the average user, or some other sort of user, you have NOTHING real that can be taken away form the number of votes. Further it should be noted that IF the problem is storage/cpu/networking resources then doing this accomplishes merely a temporary solution, and one that comes with a serious cost that I have touched upon earlier today. I suggest that we look at ways to have a on-going fund raising program to allow for proper resources for the "community" system. *Nothing* I have said above is either new or something that hasn't been said earlier today on one form or another. Yet a proposal has been offered, and ONLY this one proposal has had your support so far today. If you are worried about server resources as an issue Aaron, please let us offer other solutions to you, after all a good fundraising effort was NOT something I saw you get behind or discuss so far, so I am left to wonder if you would support it ? Best regards; Bob Finch P.S... The emails for the TU voting system discussion should be extant for you to view, although I say "should be" in as much as there have been some issues with users, passwords, and presumably other email list storage over the past few years going "south", so to speak. And as you suggest above, your input on this is based on the needs of the future and in previous emails you have declared that that was history, and "stupid: to be discussing as it was "regressive". Of course I disagree with this assessment as history can tell us not only what was promised, but what the reasons are behind previous discussions and courses of action. To be blunt, I also reject the idea that looking backwards is "regressive: and forward is "progressive". As any dictator from the 20th century has ALWAYS done NEW "regressive" things, things called regressive in that such thngs take away prerogatives from the public, all in the guise of "improvement". The results are ephemeral at best, and yes you fell into a trap of using the same language they used, Ala; "progressive".

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Re: [aur-general] Packages in Community and votes.
by Daenyth Blank 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

I really don't see a vote thing as a requirement. Consider it a strong suggestion, one that the maintainer is able to break at his or her discretion. Bfinch I think you are overreacting a ton to this.

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[aur-general] Courtesy when moving packages to community
by Allan McRae 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Hi TUs, Following this post on the forums (http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=447186) I would like to remind people that it is good etiquette to let the maintainer of a package in the AUR know when you are moving their package to [community]. Either a direct email, or a nice thank you for their work as an AUR comment. Allan

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[aur-general] Please delete bash_completion_lib
by Henning Garus 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hi, my package bash_completion_lib is broken and doesnt work like I thought it would, can someone delete it from AUR? Furthermore, while browsing the AUR I stumbled upon the following packages: eclipse-bin: This should be obsolete, now eclipse in extra is the binary version from the eclipse site. eclipse-kde: upstream looks pretty dead. thanks in advance

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[aur-general] TU Application - Ghost1227
by Daniel J Griffiths 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Hello again. For those of you who missed my greetings email, my name is Dan Griffiths and I am a 26-year-old independent contractor in Delaware, US. I have been using one form of *NIX or another for most of my life, wandering through MINIX, RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, Debian, Gentoo and even two home made distros before finally finding Arch about a year ago. I instantly fell in love with Arch and haven't looked back once. I am currently maintaining 32 packages in the AUR, including one of my own (co-written) scripts. I go by the name Ghost1227 on the bugtracker, AUR, Wiki and on IRC. I have spent the last year getting to know Arch and learning from (as well as trying to assist) the community as a whole, and would now appreciate the opportunity to give something back to that community. Loui Chang (Louipc) has offered to sponsor me, and for that he has my thanks. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Dan Griffiths, aka Ghost1227 Apologies if this posts twice, I'm having issues with my email atm...

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[aur-general] disown http-replicator
by Jens 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Hello list, Could somebody please orphan http-replicator? The maintainer isn't responding, and there is a new (although alpha) version of the package which is modular and fixes several fairly important issues when handling ftp transfers. Kind Regards, jensp

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[aur-general] Fwd: Stolen material
by Aaron "Hussein" Griffin 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

Hey guys, I just got the email below and want to take this opportunity to point a few things out: Licenses are important. If a project has no license that DOES NOT mean you are able to redistribute it by adding a file that says "Free to use". Just because it is in the AUR doesn't mean we are in the clear. That said, I believe this email is a little silly for three reasons: a) Nothing there is stolen. It is a PKGBUILD. If it is illegal to redistribute the source, then the end user is liable (something we DON'T want). b) The original tarball no longer exists. c) I have seen no proof of copyright. Still, I do want to take this opportunity to point out that we NEED to be more careful here. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Northcott <richard(a)enfour.co.jp> Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:03 AM Subject: Stolen material To: aaron(a)archlinux.org, jvinet(a)zeroflux.org This is stolen copyrighted material. Please remove. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/stardict-longman/ Richard Northcott Enfour,Inc. Tokyo

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Re: [aur-general] AUR milestone passed
by Loui Chang 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:49:44PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > We have just passed 10,000 packages in the AUR (unsupported part). > > Allan It's over nine thousand!

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[aur-general] Gnu/GLOBAL 5.7.3 version
by zhengyi 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

Hi, I found the GLOBAL 5.7.3 in GNU. Would you please update your aur ? In the attachment, my PKGBUILD is added. It _maybe_ works, I'm a newbie of this software, and reading doc now. I alwayse don't know the docs policy of Arch. Must I delete docs of a package? Or to build another package only for docs ? Thanks for your PKGBUILD. # Author: timlee tl1234562004.at.yahoo.com> # Contributor: Philipp Robbel robbel(a)gmail.com> # Zhengy Goodme goodmenzy(a)gmail.com> pkgname=global pkgver=5.7.3 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="A source code tag system" arch=(i686 x86_64) url="http://www.gnu.org/software/global/" license=('GPL') depends=() backup=('etc/gtags.conf') source=(ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/$pkgname/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz) md5sums=('e975983619bae02b63ffc3aae1a645b8') build() { cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver ./configure --prefix=$startdir/pkg/usr # here is the docs. # It seems necessary to creat a global-doc pkg instead make pdf html || return 1 make install-info || return 1 install -d $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gtags install -d $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gtags/global.html install -m644 -D doc/global.pdf $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gtags/ install -m644 -D doc/global.html/* $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gtags/global.html/ # compile and install make || return 1 make install # copy gtags.conf and apply patch mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/etc cp $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gtags/gtags.conf $startdir/pkg/etc # symbolic link to gtags.el mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp ln -s /usr/share/gtags/gtags.el $startdir/pkg/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gtags.el }

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[aur-general] AUR milestone passed
by Allan McRae 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

We have just passed 10,000 packages in the AUR (unsupported part). Allan

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[aur-general] Integrity Check
by Andrea Scarpino 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

Hi TUs, last check has been made a month ago. Please fix your packages. Regards =================== = Integrity Check = =================== Performing integrity checks... ==> parsing pkgbuilds ==> checking mismatches ==> checking archs ==> checking dependencies ==> checking makedepends ==> checking for circular dependencies Duplicate PKGBUILDs --------------------- extra/squirrelmail vs. community/network/squirrelmail Missing Dependencies ---------------------- flumotion --> 'twisted-web' gg2 --> 'arts' qbittorrent --> 'boost<1.35' eclipse-ve --> 'eclipse<3.3' Missing Makedepends --------------------- perl-critic --> 'perl-devel-stacktrace>=0.17' gensplash --> 'klibc-beyond' Summary --------- Missing PKGBUILDs: 0 Invalid PKGBUILDs: 0 Mismatching PKGBUILD names: 0 Duplicate PKGBUILDs: 1 Invalid archs: 0 Missing (make)dependencies: 6 Repo hierarchy problems: 0 Circular dependencies: 0 -- Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino Arch Linux Trusted User Linux User: #430842

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[aur-general] Support for Sierra Wireless AirCard 881
by Amanai 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

Need some help Support Sierra Wireless AirCard 881? The Sierra Wireless AirCard 881 provides enhanced mobile broadband performance to keep you connected with access to email, the Internet, and business applications while on the go. The Sierra Wireless AirCard 881 provides the latest technology based upon the global standard for wireless - GSM. Best yet, the Sierra Wireless AirCard 881 works seamlessly across AT&T's 3G BroadbandConnect and EDGE networks providing you the perfect combination of performance and coverage. The AirCard 881 is simple to set-up and use so that you can stay connected whether traveling across town, the U.S., or the world. The application and howto can be found here. The drivers provided in the Download section below are freeware; you can redistribute them and/or modify them under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation. http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID=607 What do I have to Install for Archlinux, to get my card run? Is there any application supported by Archlinux for easy Install via "pacman -S x..." ? Is it possible that a Archlinux developer can maintaining this application? I can't find any Infos at archlinux.org , no Wiki, no Hardware Info.

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[aur-general] LXR -- Linux Cross Reference
by zhengyi 05 Nov '08

05 Nov '08

Hi, I fight for LXR this weekend. And the final result works! The AUR is here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&L=0&C=0&K=lxr-cvs&SeB=nd&SB=n&SO=… Some words must be said: 1) This package is not based on the original source code. There are bugs in the original codes. So I copy the codes from a Debian package. 2) This package will not download Any source. In addition to PKGBUILD, one must download lxr-cvs-0.9.5.tar.gz from the AUR dir. 3) You should read the readme file in /usr/share/docs/lxr-cvs/examples before you use the package. 4) I'm not happy to maintain this AUR, because I'm not an expert of Apache+MySQL+Perl+CGI+ ...... If anyone wants to adopt it, I'll give it to you gladly. 5) Thanks for Debian group! 6) I don't think it is necessary to develop LXR in the future. LXRNG --- LXR next generation, is on it's way. I suggest those who are enthusiasm to contribut to LXR should develop an AUR of LXRNG.

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Re: [aur-general] LXR -- Linux Cross Reference
by zhengyi 04 Nov '08

04 Nov '08

Well Done! Now, I have no time and energy to help you with LXRNG. What I want to say is that in lxr, there are some errors among the huge database. Some source code file is not indexed correctly. I wish LXRNG will fix those bugs. By the way, if you encountered some errors, check the same package in other disto is a better way than hack the source by yourself. Good luck!

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Re: [aur-general] TU Application - Ghost1227
by Loui Chang 04 Nov '08

04 Nov '08

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > I'll vote for you if you stop top-posting. :) > > No, seriously... Yeah I was about to say something about that hah!

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[aur-general] absence
by Allan McRae 03 Nov '08

03 Nov '08

Hey all, I will be traveling for work from Wed 5th to Fri 14th of November. I should have internet access during that time so I will be checking emails but doubt I will have time for anything else. Cheers, Allan

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[aur-general] openexr so-name bump
by Pierre Schmitz 03 Nov '08

03 Nov '08

Hey everybody, the next days (just after python-2.6 will hit extra) I will push a new release of openexr. The following packages will/might need a rebuild: cinelerra-cv qtpfsgui Thanks, Pierre -- Pierre Schmitz Clemens-August-Straße 76 53115 Bonn Telefon 0228 9716608 Mobil 0160 95269831 Jabber pierre(a)jabber.archlinux.de WWW http://www.archlinux.de

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[aur-general] python 2.6 moving to extra
by Allan McRae 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

Hi all, I am moving python-2.6 and the associated rebuilds to [extra]. Allan

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[aur-general] missing "arch" in core, community, extra
by Yura Siamashka 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

Hi The official PKGBUILDs in core, extra, community often don't contain "arch" variable. Of course they can't be build with simple makepkg (missing arch error). I have read Arch Packaging Standards and find no mention about a situation where omiting "arch" variable is legal. Am I missing something or these official PKGBUILDS just broken? Here is list of such packages: gscanbus xmahjongg ltrace fortune-mod-osfortune fortune-mod-subversion lincity transset nant libcroco audiofile aspell-fi libdmx xsmbrowser libsidplay gforth mplayer-skins fortune-mod-matrix festival-don user-mode-linux icmake festival-awb-arctic fortune-mod-jargon help2man scrot aspell-pt fortune-mod-friends barcode aspell-de trm gtksourceview-sharp-2.0 lha fortune-mod-starwars aspell-el fortune-mod-xfiles cd-discid fortune-mod-calvin xpp ccmalloc feh glsof libnet festival-kallpc16k wmix ed2k-gtk-gui fortune-mod-zx-error terminatorx id3v2 aspell-es scsh xbl fortune-mod-humorix beep fortune-mod-bond selectwm setserial gcal libid3tag djbdns mp3splt xbill gtkglarea festival-rablpc16k speedcrunch words abcde antiword gimageview libmusepack xvattr netkit-tftp gfpoken cgoban aspell-en gpart aiksaurus fortune-mod-scc fping camsource acct xpenguins_themes mpage speedtouch rep-gtk ascii fortune-mod-smac fortune-mod-chalkboard libmemcache fortune-mod-futurama aspell-nl ipvsadm xorg-xsm xorg-fonts-alias fortune-mod-oneliners unionfs-utils smtpprox cowsay fortune-mod-fgump fluxter fortune-mod-prog-style libmath++ glhack xbitmaps recode acpi cssed moon-lander fortune-mod-taow i8kmon gif2png netkit-bsd-finger penguin-command libots artwiz-fonts fortune-mod-shlomif-fav achessclock fortune-mod-kernelcookies ksymoops randline pdksh gift-fasttrack checkpassword fortune-mod-codehappy tsocks fortune-mod-bofh-excuses figlet dailystrips cvsps pinball xboard fortune-mod-buffy gimp-print-lprng libxmi gdome2 tpb fortune-mod-hayward libifp tango-icon-theme-extras wipe fortune-mod-tao latex2html stow xalf root-tail i8kutils lesstifextensions fssos-nsvs sonypid aspell-ru yodl tvtime nhc98 libxkbui fortune-mod-shlomif vnc transfig gozer giblib emovix-codecs ucspi-tcp windowmaker-extra aspell-fr time fortune-mod-homer ices fortune-mod-hitchhiker bmp-wma aspell-it dbh ucspi-unix tuxpuck rcs emelfm daemontools netkit-rsh fortune-mod-discworld libxxf86misc ifplugd flite dansguardian ms-sys fortune-mod-dune-quotes mp3wrap libogg fortune-mod-romeojuliet ddcxinfo-arch gmencoder fortune-mod-osho fortune-mod-joel-on-software The script used to detect these packages is attached to this mail. -- Yura Siamashka <yurand2(a)gmail.com>

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[aur-general] Reffering to a Package Version in PKGBUILD
by Christian Scharkus 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

I've got a problem with xine-lib crying for ffmpeg>=20080715. I have ffmpeg-svn installed and this fullfilled the requirement. But even if I write something like presents=('ffmpeg' 'ffmpeg>=20081031') into my PKGBUILD the error occure again and again. A dynamic Date as mentioned in the comments of ffmpeg-svn (something like date +%Y%m%d would be nice). Thank you Raubkopierer

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[aur-general] python2.6 rebuilds
by Allan McRae 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

Hi TUs, I intend to move python-2.6 and the associated rebuilds this Saturday. This requires a few, but not all, packages requiring python to be rebuilt. It would be good if everyone could check their python based packages and be ready for this. Cheers, Allan

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[aur-general] xautomation package
by Christian Scharkus 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

Hello everybody. The current version of the package xautomation at the AUR is outdated the maintainer xcsd seems to be careless about it. The package was submitted about October 2006 and the reffered source is from April 2004. I would like to replace it with this one: # Contributor: raubkopierer <mail[dot]sensenmann[at]gmail[dot]com> pkgname=xautomation pkgver=1.02 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Controls X from the command line for scripts, and do \"visual scraping\" to find things on the screen." url="http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html" arch=('i686' 'x86_64') license="GPL" depends=() source=(http://hoopajoo.net/static/projects/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz) md5sums=('523198135f7cf7a5324189aef20ac48d') build() { cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver ./configure --prefix=/usr make || return 1 make DESTDIR=$startdir/pkg install } Greetings humans ;)

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[aur-general] Disown Merkaartor package
by Michael Kanis 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Hello, the merkaartor package in AUR is outdated. The maintainer pfreire doesn't respond to the Out-Of-Date flag, comment and e-mail. Many of his other packages are also out of date. Could you please disown the package? I would like to maintain it in the future. Michael

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[aur-general] dropping gcin
by Andreas Radke 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

we're having gcin (Chinese input method) orphaned for a very long time and i guess no developer is interested in maintaining it or even able to set it up well. we have one or more outstanding bugs for a long time i cannot confirm or fix. i think we should leave the maintenance up to the community. they will do it far better. if no TU wants to take it i'd like to move it to unsupported. objections? -Andy

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[aur-general] Duplicate packages - update
by Ghost1227 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Upon further review, Petr_Bambusek has asked that plasmoid-weather 0.4-1 be deleted. His request is listed under the comments for the aforementioned package.

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