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[arch-general] Running Spin
by andrea crotti 20 Aug '12

20 Aug '12

I was trying again to use spin after a long time, and it doesn't seem to work on arch anymore: [Src6.2.2]$ ./spin ../Samples/p102.pml sh: /lib/cpp: No such file or directory spin: preprocessing failed I first installed it from AUR and then compiled it myself, compiling doesn't give any problem but running anything give the above problem.. Anyone saw that too?

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[arch-general] Fine-tuning font settings (GTK?)
by Robbie Smith 20 Aug '12

20 Aug '12

Although it's improved a lot, I still get the occasional colour fringes around some glyphs, and I find that really distracting. Yet for some reason the subpixel rendering seems set as default, and no setting I change switches back to the greyscale rendering that looks far better to me. This only affects GTK+ applications, and I only get the fringes around a handful of characters on black-on-white, but it's enough to be noticeable when I'm tired or I have the screen brightness turned up. I've tried changing settings locally in ~/.config/gtk3/settings.ini, I've tinkered with the settings in /etc/fonts (including creating a custom style with Infinality), and yet it still persists. Does anyone know how to fix it? I have these settings in fontconfig's conf: <match target="font"> <edit name="rgba" mode="assign"> <const>none</const> </edit> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="antialias" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"> <const>hintslight</const> </edit> <edit name="lcdfilter" mode="assign"> <const>lcddefault</const> </edit> </match> And the GTK settings.ini has: gtk-xft-antialias = 1 gtk-xft-hinting = 1 gtk-xft-hintstyle = hintslight gtk-xft-rgba = none

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Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll
by John Briggs 19 Aug '12

19 Aug '12

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 01:05:27PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > > In all of the discussion about systemd, all anyone should care about is: > > (1) Does systemd provide *needed* additional capabilities that are not > currently available; > > (2) What are they? > > (3) What are the disadvantages of the switch? > > (4) Do the advantages significantly outweigh the disadvantages, taking into > consideration the time, talent and energy required to implement the change (for > both the developers and end-users)? > > If it is justified -- do it. If it is just being pushed because it is somebody > pet project, then seriously consider impacting all end-users before foisting the > change on them. > My personal experiences with systemd: My interest was piqued when it was first mentioned in the lists so I read all the blogs, man pages and other wide ranging discussions about it on the Internet. Utterly confused I decided to tentatively try it on one of my boxes. Since then the software in the Arch Repositories has slowly matured and I personally do not find, as a user, much difference from the original Arch init scripts. Pros: Faster boot times Cleaner boot screens, -quiet option enabled Cons: udev is now tightly integrated with systemd. Systemd is not KISS. IMHO systemd is unnecessarily complex in trying to do too many separate tasks. One of the big reasons I embraced GNU/Linux over 18 yrs ago is because of its KISS principle. At that time I was disolusioned with both MS Windows and IBM OS/2. GNU/Linux's policy then was KISS and one program for each needed task compared to IBM and MS policies of monolythic operating systems. Since that time I have watched GNU/Linux slowly degenerate from simplicity to complexity and IMHO systemd is just another step along this road of progress. IMHO the cost of Linux embracing complexity is a loss of freedom. We must all decide personally if we are willing to pay this price or we remain true to the principles of GNU/Linux and abandon this type of software. At this time we as Arch users do not have to make this decision but we will shortly. Please no flame wars Regards John

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[arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router
by Zachary (Asian) 19 Aug '12

19 Aug '12

hello, i am moving to a dorm soon and i plan on using a archlinux box as a router. to keep from messing with iptables every 5 seconds, i was wondering if there was a good, easy to setup upnp server.

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[arch-general] Broken perl packages "Justin Davis (juster) "
by David C. Rankin 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

All, When attempting to build in an archroot this morning, the build failed due to unknown trust signatures on perl packages. Can I pass an argument to makechrootpkg to overcome the error? The error were as follows (email blanked): Proceed with installation? [Y/n] checking package integrity... error: perl-lwp-mediatypes: signature from "Justin Davis (juster) <-----(a)gmail.com>" is unknown trust error: perl-net-http: signature from "Justin Davis (juster) <-----(a)gmail.com>" is unknown trust error: perl-www-robotrules: signature from "Justin Davis (juster) <-----(a)gmail.com>" is unknown trust error: perl-libwww: signature from "Justin Davis (juster) <-----(a)gmail.com>" is unknown trust error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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[arch-general] time zone problem with systemd
by Shridhar Daithankar 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

Hello, I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The clock is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time is reported correctly. I have this problem on one machine but other machine works correctly. The only difference I can spot is hwclock reports local time, on the machine where time is correct. Whats the magic that I am missing? with systemd --------------------------- [shridhar@waman ~]$ date Sat Aug 18 14:23:16 IST 2012 [shridhar@waman ~]$ cat /etc/timezone Asia/Kolkata [shridhar@waman ~]$ ls -al /etc/localtime lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Aug 11 02:02 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Kolkata [shridhar@waman ~]$ cat /etc/adjtime 0.000000 0 0.000000 0 UTC [shridhar@waman ~]$ grep -i hwclock /etc/rc.conf DAEMONS=(hwclock syslog-ng dbus network crond @cpufreq @openntpd @dnsmasq @sshd @laptop-mode kdm) [shridhar@waman ~]$ grep -i hardware /etc/rc.conf [root@waman shridhar]# hwclock Sat 18 Aug 2012 02:26:28 PM IST -0.110228 seconds [root@waman shridhar]# hwclock -u Sat 18 Aug 2012 02:29:35 PM IST -0.375925 seconds --------------------------- with initscripts --------------------------- [shridhar@waman ~]$ date Sat Aug 18 08:44:09 IST 2012 [root@waman shridhar]# hwclock Sat 18 Aug 2012 02:33:05 PM IST -0.146140 seconds [root@waman shridhar]# hwclock -u Sat 18 Aug 2012 02:33:10 PM IST -0.438390 seconds --------------------------- -- Regards Shridhar

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[arch-general] Personal note
by Tom Gundersen 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs interact with the list (or rather, how they do not). My approach to arch-general used to be: 1) to scan it for bug reports and feedback related to "my" corner of the Arch world, and follow up on whatever bugs/problems/questions I could. 2) to correct anything that I considered misinformation about the same. I am no longer able to keep up with this, so I will: 1) stop dealing with bugs reported on the mailing-list, please report anything to the bug tracker. 2) just accept that the world is full of misinformation and baseless speculations and not engage with it any longer. This is mostly for the sake of my own sanity, but also because I think my continued presence on this mailing list decreases rather than increases the current abysmal quality of discussion. Lastly, I'd like to add that I have appreciated the many constructions conversations on the list. Cheers, Tom

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[arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?
by fredbezies 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

Hello. Yesterday, I wanted to test systemd, and all worked well, thanks to the wiki. For this test, I used a VirtualBox machine with archlinux in it. I didn't want to bust my main computer. There is big problem. Audio is not working. Every single time sound is needed, I got something like this in my /var/log/errors.log [pulseaudio] bluetooth-util.c: org.bluez.Manager.ListAdapters() failed: org.freedesktop.systemd1.LoadFailed: Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.bluez.service' for details. It is blocking every sound, even if soundcard is well detected. Packages lists : PulseAudio 2.1-1 systemd 188-2 systemd-arch-units 20120704 systemd-sysvcompat 188-2 I have the same kind of logs with my main computer, with classical initscripts, but at least, sound is working. [pulseaudio] bluetooth-util.c: org.bluez.Manager.ListAdapters() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Any idea ? Thanks ! -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies(a)gmail.com

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd
by Calvin Morrison 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault <stephane(a)archlinux.org> wrote: > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in > our repositories for some time and that it could be considered stable enough > for production use, I would suggest to replace iniscript by systemd once the > 'Missing systemd units' is over. Thus we will avoid duplicating our efforts > on two init systems. > > Any objections to start the migration process ? > > Cheers, > > Stéphane > > I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of those fleshed out on a page where I can read them - I know I can't order anyone to do it, and my comment doesn't effect the outcome, but I would really like to see a good explanation of the advantages in an unbiased (aka not by LP) explanation of why it is better for arch. Is systemd suckless? is it easy to maintain? is it going to around for several years? have we considered Upstart? what about OpenRC? before Arch jump ship, I would love to see some good details. I have been trying to keep up Tom's posts on the general, so maybe I should revisit them. Calvin

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[arch-general] Arch-general is becoming a mess !
by fredbezies 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Hello. I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008), and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this mailing list, and the community too. Last threads on systemd was useless. And I can understand that every single developer will unsuscribe. As a user, I will do so too. I think archlinux community needs a little clean up and kick the bottom of people who are not arguing but messing lists. I won't post anymore on this list, but I wanted to express my mind here. Please, excuse my bad english, it is 10 pm where I live. -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies(a)gmail.com

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