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Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning
by Amin Vakil 20 Oct '20

20 Oct '20

I remember you have said that you use this package on your servers in university, so why don't you just create a new package with any modifications you need in PKGBUILD and even make it specified for your needs if you want to and use it for yourself? What are you trying to accomplish with being called "maintainer" of sge package? You can post your PKGBUILD on github/gitlab or any other git service online to track the modifications, being able to download it from anywhere, ask for other people's opinion, etc.

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[aur-general] Away for a bit due to covid related limitations
by Andrzej Giniewicz 19 Oct '20

19 Oct '20

Hi all, I have to declare away time, for the first time since I've started TU duties. Unfortunately I'm stuck with my work computer for now (Windows only) and my Arch dev box is at another physical address - which I have limited access due to the epidemic situation in Poland right now. I've seen few out of date notifications for my community packages, but I cannot update them right now, so if someone could update them in my place for now it would be great. I hope to be back to maintaining my packages soon. I cannot sign this message either unfortunately. Cheers and stay healthy everybody, Andrzej Giniewicz (https://www.archlinux.org/people/trusted-users/#aginiewicz)

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[aur-general] SGE Orphaning
by Manhong Dai 19 Oct '20

19 Oct '20

Dear Trust User, I submitted an Orphaning request in both comment area and ticket system. Feel free to let me know if there is anything I need to do to follow up. My email address is daimh(a)umich.edu , just in case I missed any emails. Best, Manhong

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Re: [aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 5
by michael＠eowyn.net 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

> Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:47:51 -0400 > From: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> > To: aur-general(a)archlinux.org > Subject: Re: [aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4 > Message-ID: <2972ceb5928384111909983ea92ddc4f6322b616.camel(a)umich.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Alexis, > > Thanks a lot for the contructive feedback! > > I didn't receive your email actually! I found your reply in > the digest. > > It might be our UMich.edu Gmail or AUR-general email server > right now. But this sge drama was not caused by the email issue. It is > caused by that I have an account in AUR, but didn't register the AUR- > general, and I didn't even know it exists until a few days ago. > > I agree that "It seems that in the last times you didn't take > enough care of the sge package". The thing is My PKGBUILD just works > without any glitch on dozens of SGE nodes since day one. It includes > those C code modification I did in the past decade to make it work with > CentOS, Debian and the latest GCC/SSL in current Arch Linux. Further, I > don't have much free time to maintain a PKGBUILD file or read the AUR > wiki, just like many other AUR package maintainers. > > Thanks a lot for the suggestion though, I will host my C code > modification with some upcoming accumulated improvement on github, as > github won't make me lose the package in a period of just two months > ending with two 19-minute apart email notifications. > > Here is my suggestions to AUR though. > > 1, It seems that many PKGBUILD issues can be solved by a script. For > example, the PKGVER mistake that the current maintainer of SGE package > made and user a821 commented "The pkgver used to be 20200527 but now is > 8.1.9. However 20200527 > 8.1.9 so epoch=1 might be > required."?https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sge/ > > Although I won't believe one who 'couldn't even get something as simple > as the pkgver right' cannot make a good AUR package because 'good' is > very subjective and definitely not limited to a PKGBUILD file, AUR > should have a script running from time to time to check such simple > mistakes and notify the maintainer. I actually believe that you already > have such thing because some comments on my other AUR packages are very > professional and like robot :). Or a command to check some common > mistakes in a PKGBUILD file? > > > 2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send every > notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any email > notification about orphaning SGE. > > Thanks your very much for your constructive feedback again! > > Best, > Manhong > > On Tue, 2020-10-13 at 12:00 +0000, aur-general-request(a)archlinux.org > wrote: >> Send aur-general mailing list submissions to >> ????????aur-general(a)archlinux.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> ????????https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/aur-general >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ????????aur-general-request(a)archlinux.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????????aur-general-owner(a)archlinux.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of aur-general digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ?? 1. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Manhong Dai) >> ?? 2. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Doug Newgard) >> ?? 3. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Alexis BRENON) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400 >> From: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> >> To: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> >> Cc: Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> >> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE >> Message-ID: >> ????????<CAAwO+oOcWq0OXvhuAaoayHqfAa7v5egUi3HjA50_xLGKV8gt1A(a)mail.gmail.com >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of date' >> or >> 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the >> ownership and >> will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow..... >> >> In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild.? Now you said nobody cares about >> pigver, >> guess who said this sentence below? >> 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right' >> >> ? It turned out I can read and actually remember.... >> >> >> Best, >> Manhong >> Sent from phone >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:46 PM Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> >> wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:38:02 -0400 >> > Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> wrote: >> > >> > > I actually did read your email. You said I cannot get a simple >> > > thing such >> > > as pkgver right. >> > > >> > > Let me explain to you, from your point of view, you certainly >> > > want to >> > have >> > > some rule or guideline to make all the package? has the same >> > > standard. >> > That >> > > is understandable and it is what make Arch Linux popular. I would >> > > love to >> > > be compliant with the rule whenever I have the resource, and I >> > > did with >> > all >> > > other my AUR packages. >> > > >> > > From my point of view, a pkgver is not the point here. I do need >> > > to make >> > my >> > > modified SGE package can be compiled with the latest SSL, GCC, >> > > other >> > Linux >> > > contribution, and can be used to upgrade an old node without >> > > losing >> > > configuration. No matter how bad a pkgver is defined, an Arch >> > > Linux with >> > a >> > > working SGE is away better, right? >> > > >> > > The problem is actually not on my side. Your request system has >> > > my email >> > > address, I sent you a request after the package was adopted, some >> > > bystanders figured? out I didn't get any reply and sent your >> > > reply to me, >> > > That is when I knew that the request is also in the mail list, >> > > and such >> > > email list exists...... >> > > >> > > Because you are attacking my capability, and I believe everybody >> > > who can >> > > read will know your claim is actually baseless, I did ignore your >> > personal >> > > attack in my previous email. >> > > >> > > Yes, I can say sorry about ignoring hat. >> > > >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Manhong >> > > Sent from phone >> > > >> > >> > So you read it and you're STILL top posting in violation of the >> > rules. And >> > making up something called "out of state" which doesn't exist. And >> > claiming >> > that you have to be on a mailing list when it's been explained, >> > multiple >> > times, >> > that you don't. You claim you're reading, now try understanding. >> > >> > Nobody cares what your point of view is on pkgver. It's obvious to >> > pretty >> > much >> > anyone that's ever written, or even read, a PKGBUILD. >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:02:24 -0500 >> From: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> >> To: aur-general(a)archlinux.org >> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE >> Message-ID: <20201012220224.44a4878b@Scimmia> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400 >> Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> wrote: >> >> > You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of >> > date' or >> > 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the >> > ownership and >> > will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow..... >> > >> > In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild.? Now you said nobody cares about >> > pigver, >> > guess who said this sentence below? >> > 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right' >> > >> > ? It turned out I can read and actually remember.... >> >> Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You either >> have a >> serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making things >> up now. >> >> And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing list >> out >> there, even after being told twice. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:02:08 +0200 >> From: Alexis BRENON <brenon.alexis+arch(a)gmail.com> >> To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" >> ????????<aur-general(a)archlinux.org> >> Cc: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> >> Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE >> Message-ID: >> ????????<CAJPB9o2UNiGi0ox3t-faNbXeme9ekNo+C0rtDJexL-9RZyfsUg(a)mail.gmail.com >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> > Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You >> > either have a >> > serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making >> > things up now. >> > >> > And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing >> > list out >> > there, even after being told twice. >> >> Just to try to calm down the conversation. >> >> Manhong, you say that this is your package, however, AUR is not the >> right place to host "your own" package, it is a place to host the >> community's packages. >> Actually, there is a dedicated maintainer who takes care of a >> package, >> and it seems that in the last times you didn't take enough care of >> the >> sge package (there is a set of rules to follow that make you a good >> care-taker: >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_package_guidelines) >> so you aren't the maintainer anymore. This seems fair. >> >> You complain about not being notified before you lost the >> maintainership. The maintainer always receives e-mail notifications >> to >> its personal e-mail address. You are the only one who does not >> receive >> it, maybe there is a problem on your side... >> >> In any case, there are some rules. They have been followed. And >> nobody >> can give you back the maintainership. You can ask to become a >> co-maintainer which sounds good, you do not have to bear all the >> burden alone! >> >> If you want to host "your own" package, following your own rules for >> the PKGBUILD format, and don't bothering with the community's rules, >> feel free to host your own AUR service on your cluster. >> >> Kind regards, >> Alexis >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aur-general mailing list >> aur-general(a)archlinux.org >> https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/aur-general >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4 >> ******************************************* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:58:35 +0400 > From: Archange <archange(a)archlinux.org> > To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Cc: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> > Subject: Re: [aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4 > Message-ID: <6eb8705a-b0e0-ce6c-d678-af930082ceb2(a)archlinux.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > Le 14/10/2020 ? 18:47, Manhong Dai via aur-general a ?crit?: >> 2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send every >> notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any email >> notification about orphaning SGE. > > I?m not commenting on everything else here, but regarding this point: > subscription to aur-general is not required, and every notifications > are > sent to the package maintainer? or at least should be, because a bug > introduced some months ago broke that (see > https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/aurweb/-/merge_requests/6) > > So indeed you did not receive the Orphaning requests notifications. But > you did receive comments on the AUR page, and you did receive the > emails > to which you responded and that told you to *stop top-posting*. > > Regards, > Bruno/Archange > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:16:54 -0400 > From: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> > To: Archange <archange(a)archlinux.org>, "Discussion about the Arch User > Repository (AUR)" <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Subject: [aur-general] SGE > Message-ID: <259c09da06d5caf05708ae2bb765daf023eaa44b.camel(a)umich.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Bruno, > > Thanks a lot for confirming that I didn't receive Orphaning > email!? > > I did receive the comment. I actually checked the pull request > a little, but decided not to reply because I didn't want to be > negative. I totally believe the current maintainer has a better format > of PKGBUILD (well, except his pkgver mistake). Now let me comment a few > things on SGE. > > In the SGE package comment. > > 1, The current maintainer blamed me "?pkgver???????????????". Google > translation: "It?s really intolerable that even pkgver was filled in > wrong."? > > Now it turned out that the current maintainer made the mistake..... > > 2, He also said "??.install?post install??????????????????", Google > translation "A lot of files that the package manager did not take over > were installed in the post install stage through .install". > > This could be a disaster if somebody want to upgrade SGE by uninstall > and re-install. SGE has been a very special software because it needs > some post installation to let user specify a lot of host/jobs/queue > configuration. Thus all files are put under /opt/sge for the legacy > reason. > > > Best, > Manhong > > > > > On Wed, 2020-10-14 at 18:58 +0400, Archange wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Le 14/10/2020 ? 18:47, Manhong Dai via aur-general a ?crit?: >> > 2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send >> > every >> > notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any >> > email >> > notification about orphaning SGE. >> >> I?m not commenting on everything else here, but regarding this point: >> subscription to aur-general is not required, and every notifications >> are >> sent to the package maintainer? or at least should be, because a bug >> introduced some months ago broke that (see >> https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/aurweb/-/merge_requests/6) >> >> So indeed you did not receive the Orphaning requests notifications. >> But >> you did receive comments on the AUR page, and you did receive the >> emails >> to which you responded and that told you to *stop top-posting*. >> >> Regards, >> Bruno/Archange > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:19:05 -0400 > From: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> > To: Sauyon Lee <s(a)uyon.co>, "Discussion about the Arch User Repository > (AUR)" <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Subject: Re: [aur-general] SGE > Message-ID: <b337ab689ecdb27cd16c01ad51c39626f1519058.camel(a)umich.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi Sauyon, > > Thank you! I learned! > > Best, > Manhong > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:03:26 +0200 > From: alad <alad(a)archlinux.org> > To: aur-general(a)archlinux.org > Subject: Re: [aur-general] SGE > Message-ID: <683dd11c-f5f1-f0a6-8f97-acde1c8e82b3(a)archlinux.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 14/10/2020 17:16, Manhong Dai via aur-general wrote: >> Hi Bruno, > > Top-posting, do you know what it means? > > Do not do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting > > But do this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style or > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting > > Again https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Top_posting > > Don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you keep doing this even > after being asked not to, repeatedly. > > Alad > >> >> Thanks a lot for confirming that I didn't receive Orphaning >> email! >> >> I did receive the comment. I actually checked the pull request >> a little, but decided not to reply because I didn't want to be >> negative. I totally believe the current maintainer has a better format >> of PKGBUILD (well, except his pkgver mistake). Now let me comment a >> few >> things on SGE. >> >> In the SGE package comment. >> >> 1, The current maintainer blamed me "?pkgver???????????????". Google >> translation: "It?s really intolerable that even pkgver was filled in >> wrong." >> >> Now it turned out that the current maintainer made the mistake..... >> >> 2, He also said "??.install?post install??????????????????", Google >> translation "A lot of files that the package manager did not take over >> were installed in the post install stage through .install". >> >> This could be a disaster if somebody want to upgrade SGE by >> uninstall >> and re-install. SGE has been a very special software because it needs >> some post installation to let user specify a lot of host/jobs/queue >> configuration. Thus all files are put under /opt/sge for the legacy >> reason. >> >> >> Best, >> Manhong >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2020-10-14 at 18:58 +0400, Archange wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Le 14/10/2020 ? 18:47, Manhong Dai via aur-general a ?crit?: >>>> 2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send >>>> every >>>> notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any >>>> email >>>> notification about orphaning SGE. >>> I?m not commenting on everything else here, but regarding this point: >>> subscription to aur-general is not required, and every notifications >>> are >>> sent to the package maintainer? or at least should be, because a bug >>> introduced some months ago broke that (see >>> https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/aurweb/-/merge_requests/6) >>> >>> So indeed you did not receive the Orphaning requests notifications. >>> But >>> you did receive comments on the AUR page, and you did receive the >>> emails >>> to which you responded and that told you to *stop top-posting*. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bruno/Archange > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > aur-general mailing list > aur-general(a)archlinux.org > https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/aur-general > > > ------------------------------ > > End of aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 5 > ******************************************* > It seems that many PKGBUILD issues can be solved by a script. This sounds a lot like namcap.

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Re: [aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4
by Manhong Dai 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

Hi Alexis, Thanks a lot for the contructive feedback! I didn't receive your email actually! I found your reply in the digest. It might be our UMich.edu Gmail or AUR-general email server right now. But this sge drama was not caused by the email issue. It is caused by that I have an account in AUR, but didn't register the AUR- general, and I didn't even know it exists until a few days ago. I agree that "It seems that in the last times you didn't take enough care of the sge package". The thing is My PKGBUILD just works without any glitch on dozens of SGE nodes since day one. It includes those C code modification I did in the past decade to make it work with CentOS, Debian and the latest GCC/SSL in current Arch Linux. Further, I don't have much free time to maintain a PKGBUILD file or read the AUR wiki, just like many other AUR package maintainers. Thanks a lot for the suggestion though, I will host my C code modification with some upcoming accumulated improvement on github, as github won't make me lose the package in a period of just two months ending with two 19-minute apart email notifications. Here is my suggestions to AUR though. 1, It seems that many PKGBUILD issues can be solved by a script. For example, the PKGVER mistake that the current maintainer of SGE package made and user a821 commented "The pkgver used to be 20200527 but now is 8.1.9. However 20200527 > 8.1.9 so epoch=1 might be required." https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sge/ Although I won't believe one who 'couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right' cannot make a good AUR package because 'good' is very subjective and definitely not limited to a PKGBUILD file, AUR should have a script running from time to time to check such simple mistakes and notify the maintainer. I actually believe that you already have such thing because some comments on my other AUR packages are very professional and like robot :). Or a command to check some common mistakes in a PKGBUILD file? 2, Force an AUR package maintainer to join AUR-general, or send every notification to the package maintainer, as I never received any email notification about orphaning SGE. Thanks your very much for your constructive feedback again! Best, Manhong On Tue, 2020-10-13 at 12:00 +0000, aur-general-request(a)archlinux.org wrote: > Send aur-general mailing list submissions to > aur-general(a)archlinux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/aur-general > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aur-general-request(a)archlinux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aur-general-owner(a)archlinux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aur-general digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Manhong Dai) > 2. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Doug Newgard) > 3. Re: Reply to your request SGE (Alexis BRENON) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400 > From: Manhong Dai <daimh(a)umich.edu> > To: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> > Cc: Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE > Message-ID: > <CAAwO+oOcWq0OXvhuAaoayHqfAa7v5egUi3HjA50_xLGKV8gt1A(a)mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of date' > or > 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the > ownership and > will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow..... > > In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild. Now you said nobody cares about > pigver, > guess who said this sentence below? > 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right' > > It turned out I can read and actually remember.... > > > Best, > Manhong > Sent from phone > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:46 PM Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> > wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:38:02 -0400 > > Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > I actually did read your email. You said I cannot get a simple > > > thing such > > > as pkgver right. > > > > > > Let me explain to you, from your point of view, you certainly > > > want to > > have > > > some rule or guideline to make all the package has the same > > > standard. > > That > > > is understandable and it is what make Arch Linux popular. I would > > > love to > > > be compliant with the rule whenever I have the resource, and I > > > did with > > all > > > other my AUR packages. > > > > > > From my point of view, a pkgver is not the point here. I do need > > > to make > > my > > > modified SGE package can be compiled with the latest SSL, GCC, > > > other > > Linux > > > contribution, and can be used to upgrade an old node without > > > losing > > > configuration. No matter how bad a pkgver is defined, an Arch > > > Linux with > > a > > > working SGE is away better, right? > > > > > > The problem is actually not on my side. Your request system has > > > my email > > > address, I sent you a request after the package was adopted, some > > > bystanders figured out I didn't get any reply and sent your > > > reply to me, > > > That is when I knew that the request is also in the mail list, > > > and such > > > email list exists...... > > > > > > Because you are attacking my capability, and I believe everybody > > > who can > > > read will know your claim is actually baseless, I did ignore your > > personal > > > attack in my previous email. > > > > > > Yes, I can say sorry about ignoring hat. > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > Manhong > > > Sent from phone > > > > > > > So you read it and you're STILL top posting in violation of the > > rules. And > > making up something called "out of state" which doesn't exist. And > > claiming > > that you have to be on a mailing list when it's been explained, > > multiple > > times, > > that you don't. You claim you're reading, now try understanding. > > > > Nobody cares what your point of view is on pkgver. It's obvious to > > pretty > > much > > anyone that's ever written, or even read, a PKGBUILD. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:02:24 -0500 > From: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> > To: aur-general(a)archlinux.org > Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE > Message-ID: <20201012220224.44a4878b@Scimmia> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:57:52 -0400 > Manhong Dai via aur-general <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> wrote: > > > You are right that I don't know what 'out of state' or 'out of > > date' or > > 'out of whatever' is. All I know is that I suddenly lost the > > ownership and > > will have to change my cluster maintenance code tomorrow..... > > > > In terms of pkgver or pkgbuild. Now you said nobody cares about > > pigver, > > guess who said this sentence below? > > 'You couldn't even get something as simple as the pkgver right' > > > > It turned out I can read and actually remember.... > > Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You either > have a > serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making things > up now. > > And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing list > out > there, even after being told twice. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:02:08 +0200 > From: Alexis BRENON <brenon.alexis+arch(a)gmail.com> > To: "Discussion about the Arch User Repository (AUR)" > <aur-general(a)archlinux.org> > Cc: Doug Newgard <scimmia(a)archlinux.org> > Subject: Re: [aur-general] Reply to your request SGE > Message-ID: > <CAJPB9o2UNiGi0ox3t-faNbXeme9ekNo+C0rtDJexL-9RZyfsUg(a)mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > Then try reading again, as that's not what I said at all. You > > either have a > > serious issue with reading comprehension or you're just making > > things up now. > > > > And you're STILL violating the rules of just about every mailing > > list out > > there, even after being told twice. > > Just to try to calm down the conversation. > > Manhong, you say that this is your package, however, AUR is not the > right place to host "your own" package, it is a place to host the > community's packages. > Actually, there is a dedicated maintainer who takes care of a > package, > and it seems that in the last times you didn't take enough care of > the > sge package (there is a set of rules to follow that make you a good > care-taker: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_package_guidelines) > so you aren't the maintainer anymore. This seems fair. > > You complain about not being notified before you lost the > maintainership. The maintainer always receives e-mail notifications > to > its personal e-mail address. You are the only one who does not > receive > it, maybe there is a problem on your side... > > In any case, there are some rules. They have been followed. And > nobody > can give you back the maintainership. You can ask to become a > co-maintainer which sounds good, you do not have to bear all the > burden alone! > > If you want to host "your own" package, following your own rules for > the PKGBUILD format, and don't bothering with the community's rules, > feel free to host your own AUR service on your cluster. > > Kind regards, > Alexis > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > aur-general mailing list > aur-general(a)archlinux.org > https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/aur-general > > > ------------------------------ > > End of aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 4 > *******************************************

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Re: [aur-general] aur-general Digest, Vol 192, Issue 5
by Manhong Dai 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

> Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:03:26 +0200 > From: alad <alad(a)archlinux.org> > To: aur-general(a)archlinux.org > Subject: Re: [aur-general] SGE > Message-ID: <683dd11c-f5f1-f0a6-8f97-acde1c8e82b3(a)archlinux.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 14/10/2020 17:16, Manhong Dai via aur-general wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > > Top-posting, do you know what it means? > > Do not do this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting > > But do this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style or > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting > > Again > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Top_posting > > Don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you keep doing this even > after being asked not to, repeatedly. Appreciate it, Alad! I learned! Best, Manhong

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Re: [aur-general] SGE
by Manhong Dai 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

Hi Sauyon, Thank you! I learned! Best, Manhong

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[aur-general] Reply to your request SGE
by Manhong Dai 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

Hi Freswa, Somebody pointed me to your reply in the list. I didn't even know that the request in the AUR request system was sent to this email list, nor I know such an email list existed. I agree that you think you already gave enough explanation from your point of view. However, please think about it in my shoes, I I didn't even know such an email list existed before I sent the last request through the AUR website, and I just registered it about an hour ago to appeal. If you think I spammed this request system, I am sorry for it. But from my point of view, I have been extremely patient and following the ladder to appeal, because I didn't get any email or any response on the AUR website, which just says one word 'rejected'. I am also a very responsive package maintainer. You can check out my other packages, as long as other people submitted a suggestion, I responded the second day, and accepted their suggestions. In terms of the package SGE, I just searched my email again but didn't find any email saying that the package is marked as out-of-date. It will be hard to believe that a package that was submitted just four months ago is already marked as out of date. It worked on a cluster of all our Arch Linux nodes four months ago, and it is still working on the latest Arch Linux. It worked on both new node installation and old node upgrade . I would never have thought to check the AUR website to see if I am still a maintainer. All I got was the two emails, one saying it was disowned, the other saying it was adopted, and they are 19 minutes apart. Now I understand that each AUR package maintainer should join the email list and keep watching it. Given this special circumstance, can I get the maintainer status for the package SGE back? Best, Manhong

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[aur-general] This Saturday I was deprived the maintainer status of AUR package SGE without reason
by Manhong Dai 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Dear AUR administrator, Can you please change me back to the maintainer of the AUR package SGE? This saturday I got two emails. One is user "freswa" disowned this package, and then 19 minutes later, another email said this package was adopted. When I got the two emails, it was already too late to adopt the package back. I did submit a request at the AUR web interface later, but the request was denied without any explanation. I am an SGE administrator for University of Michigan, and I have been maintaining the legacy SGE C code for many years to make it work with the latest library changes and the newer version of GCC. I published my code modification to AUR to help other Arch Linux user, and also help myself to maintain our own SGE cluster, which runs on both CentOS and Arch Linux. I really don't know why I was deprived of the maintainer status because I am a very responsive AUR maintainer. For example, I received some good suggestions about my other packages, I did accept those suggestions and modified my packages accordingly. The serious issue is I didn't receive any notification about the package sge before the two email notifications. It is quite scary for me, and should be scary for all AUR package maintainers. Is there anything I can do to get the maintainer status back? Best, Manhong

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[aur-general] Wrong E-Mail Adress at registration used
by Matthias 'garionion' Detsch 10 Oct '20

10 Oct '20

Hi there, sorry to bother you with my stupid mistake. As I wanted to register myself for the AUR a while ago, I misspelled my E-Mail Adress. But I really really want to use my "normal" nickname. As I used a wron E-Mail, I never got a confirmation mail, but the username is still "reserved" (one could consider this as a bug), so I cannot register myself again, with "my" username and the correct EMail Adress. Would it be possible, that someone could please unlock "my" username? Best Regards, garionion

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