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[arch-general] ip route sort order
by Damjan 29 Aug '11

29 Aug '11

Does anyone know, when and why the results of "ip route" in recent times are not sorted by netmask specificness? I remember previously routes were sorted most specific first by the netmask. -- damjan

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[arch-general] resource limits, unable to run apps
by Marek Otahal 28 Aug '11

28 Aug '11

Hi guys, in last days i'm severely bugged by some resource limits on my machine..my applications fail to run etc. I'm running on a netbook that is slow by default, but i've been on it for a few years and it was ok. I'm running normal KDE, IM client, kmail, firefox (with a lot, cca 30) tabs open, a konsole and netbeans ide. The thing is I remember I once played with some limits to avoid forkbombs etc..so my question is if you could point me to some files to check for configs? This is my top output: $ top top - 22:19:59 up 1 day, 7:19, 3 users, load average: 1.06, 1.56, 1.34 Tasks: 199 total, 1 running, 196 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie Cpu(s): 1.8%us, 2.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 2055224k total, 1748036k used, 307188k free, 13632k buffers Swap: 2561304k total, 938420k used, 1622884k free, 1119728k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 20689 marek 20 0 223m 60m 17m S 4 3.0 2:08.92 skype 1322 root 20 0 113m 21m 4552 S 1 1.1 65:50.10 X 3385 marek 20 0 6124 840 604 S 1 0.0 15:13.67 scdaemon 6421 marek 20 0 936m 137m 16m S 1 6.9 0:59.12 java 6832 marek 20 0 2576 1032 756 R 1 0.1 0:01.37 top 3216 marek 20 0 115m 12m 7156 S 1 0.6 31:17.96 konsole 22696 marek 20 0 177m 8828 5240 S 1 0.4 6:52.92 kget 2707 marek 20 0 5576 344 212 S 0 0.0 2:52.82 gpg-agent 3275 marek 20 0 119m 5124 3136 S 0 0.2 2:36.09 kleopatra 3449 marek 20 0 101m 4280 2720 S 0 0.2 0:57.63 klipper 6451 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:23.52 kworker/0:2 1 root 20 0 1880 24 0 S 0 0.0 0:19.49 init 2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.06 kthreadd 3 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:03.84 ksoftirqd/0 6 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 13 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuset 14 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper 15 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 netns 16 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.25 sync_supers 17 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 bdi-default 18 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd 20 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.14 khungtaskd Ulimit says $ ulimit -a core file size (blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited scheduling priority (-e) 30 file size (blocks, -f) unlimited pending signals (-i) 16028 max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 80000 max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files (-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200 real-time priority (-r) 75 stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes (-u) 250 virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited file locks (-x) unlimited and I use pm-utils, should that matter? I used to run the system under similar load and it was ok, now eg. my compiles in netbeans fail, says OutOfMemoryException or sometimes cannot create a new native thread. (openjdk), also command line tools fail with things like $ man scdaemon man: fork failed: Resource temporarily unavailable I wonder is it the memory consumed by netbeans or some number of process/open files limit or something? I'm glad for any suggestions, as now if i want to develop in java, i have to shut down browser, chat and even though... Thank you, Mark PS: i know..but now i'd not like to hear suggestions like using a lighter DE or buying better hw ;) -- Marek Otahal :o)

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[arch-general] system slowing down when copying files.
by Madhurya Kakati 28 Aug '11

28 Aug '11

Hi, My system tends to slow down a lot when I copy files to and from a pen drive or even from one hard disk to another. Even my mouse cursor slows down. The system becomes almost unusable. I more than enough RAM and I am using a tiling window manager. So I am not even using a lot of RAM. Why is this happening? I can't work on my system if I run any large file copy/move operation. Please help. Thanks.

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] the storage group
by Myra Nelson 27 Aug '11

27 Aug '11

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 17:43, Tom Gundersen <teg(a)jklm.no> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg(a)jklm.no> wrote: >> I'm refactoring our support for the "storage" group, due to a recent >> bug report about it being incomplete: >> <https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22337>. I thought I'd ask for some >> input. > > I did a bit more digging and asking around, and it seems that my > previous suggestion, basically to make "storage" work correctly with > more devices, is not a good one. > > I tried pushing the fix into udev upstream, but Kay argued against it, > and even the Debian maintainer agreed that this should probably not go > upstream. > > Their reasoning (which I guess I agree with) is that giving users > access to usb sticks (among other things) causes security probems (the > user logged in over ssh can access the usb stick of the logged in > user). > > Furthermore, (and this I did not know) in addition to taking care of > mounting, udisks has support for most of what fdisk does, so there > goes the main argument in favor of giving user access to these > devices. > > To make a long story short; in stead of fixing the "storage" group, I > intend to remove support for it from udev, and direct people to use > udisks instead. If anyone have any objections, pleas let me know. > > Cheers, > > Tom > Pardon the interruption but from a former MS user and basically an end user I thought I would chime in. Auto mounting is evil and the autorun feature associated with it is worse. I think removing it from udev is an excellent idea and I laud your suggestion. It will definitely improve security and, IMHO, make things easier to setup. One only has to learn one method, preferably the "correct" method, to do something. I use the word correct because their are at least 3 right ways to do things. Your way, my way, and the next person's way. None of which may be the correct way. Myra -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!

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[arch-general] Removal of jre/jdk and jre6/jdk6 from [community]
by Thomas Dziedzic 27 Aug '11

27 Aug '11

Oracle recently decided to remove the DLJ (Operating System Distributor License for Java) from their license on their own proprietary implementation of java [1]. For a good article explaining the situation, please refer to [2]. This means that you will have to use openjdk6 from [community] or get jre/jdk (java 7) and jre6/jdk6 (java 6) from the AUR. My personal opinion is that although openjdk6 is more buggy, I encourage everyone to use it and report bugs against it from now on. This will be better for linux in the long run. I will not be maintaining these packages in the AUR anymore. Oracle's original blog post [1] - http://robilad.livejournal.com/90792.html Article explaining the move [2] - http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2011/08/26/sun_java6_packages_re…

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[arch-general] Keycode kernel patch doesn't change keycodes anymore
by Marcel Korpel 27 Aug '11

27 Aug '11

Hi all, As I do not get replies to my forum post [1], I'll try asking this question here. Up until recently, I used to get the zoom slider on my Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 working by following the instructions in a Gentoo Wiki page [2]. In short, by applying a small patch [3] to my custom compiled (ZEN-)kernel the keycodes of the slider are changed to values below 255, enabling the X server to process those keycodes. Unfortunately, after a recent kernel update I get different keycodes, as if the patch isn't applied at all, although I can confirm that include/linux/input.h is still changed. My keycodes now read: $ showkey keycode 418 press keycode 418 release keycode 419 press keycode 419 release I flipped through latest kernel changes of 2.6.38.x [4] and 2.6.39.x [5] (that I currently use) but was not able to find a change that might have influenced the (translation of these) keycodes. Anyone here that has an idea what might cause this issue? Kind regards, Marcel [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=125259 [2] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Microsoft_Natural_Ergonomic_Keyboard_4000 [3] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/w/images/1/17/Kernel-2.6.34-msnek.patch [4] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.38.y.git;a=short… [5] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.39.y.git;a=short…

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[arch-general] [signoff] nfs-utils 1.2.4-3
by Tobias Powalowski 26 Aug '11

26 Aug '11

Hi guys, - fixed start scripts to not start nfs-common from nfs-server and rpcbind from nfs-common #20903 greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-general] [signoff] samba-3.6.0-3
by Tobias Powalowski 26 Aug '11

26 Aug '11

Hi guys. - using the waf building system - reduced package size 80Mb - changed to gamin depend instead of fam Due to the big changes, please signoff both arches, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Git for the repos
by Lukas Fleischer 25 Aug '11

25 Aug '11

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:35:47AM -0300, Ángel Velásquez wrote: > 2011/8/24 Florian Pritz <bluewind(a)xinu.at>: > > So it came up in IRC again and I'll try to sum up the discussion: > > > > SVN checkouts tend to break, some people only use it for our repos and > > not anywhere else, it's slow. > > > > We agreed on one git repo per package because you can't do partial > > checkouts in git and you hardly need the history of all packages anyway. > > > > To keep track of released packages, dbscripts maintains it's own (git?) > > meta database which contains only the package version and pacman repo of > > the package. The version corresponds to a tag in the package's git repo. > > > > We can't use tags like "testing-i686" because you can't reuse tags in git. > > > > I'd like to hear some comments about this. > > > > -- > > Florian Pritz > > > > > > First I need to ask some questions (understant that I don't get why is > this getting proposed) > > Well, why are us needing of git? what goal we want to achieve? .. > > Devtools have some complications (X number of commits for package i.e) > but, this will change with git? how? .. it will git increase the speed > or the workflow of our devtools? why git, not hg, darcs or another > DVCS? Dan and me worked on some patches to reduce the number of commits recently [1], [2], [3] and devtools-git only commits twice per commitpkg invocation. First commit to push changes to trunk, second commit to release to the repositories. Note that this has some impacts on speed. This is mostly related to SVN and the way we need to create tags when releasing to the repositories with a single commit. I pointed that out in a separate thread on arch-projects [4] but I sadly didn't get any feedback yet. Maybe this should be considered, also. Not that I have a strong feeling about it. I just thought I should mention it. [1] http://projects.archlinux.org/devtools.git/commit/?id=8384ad84 [2] http://projects.archlinux.org/devtools.git/commit/?id=6ef4d5f3 [3] http://projects.archlinux.org/devtools.git/commit/?id=61010062 [4] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-projects/2011-August/001748.html

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Git for the repos
by Lukas Fleischer 25 Aug '11

25 Aug '11

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 01:41:50PM -0400, Eric Bélanger wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Andreas Radke <andyrtr(a)archlinux.org> wrote: > > Am Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:53:55 +0200 > > schrieb Florian Pritz <bluewind(a)xinu.at>: > > > >> So it came up in IRC again and I'll try to sum up the discussion: > >> > >> SVN checkouts tend to break, some people only use it for our repos and > >> not anywhere else, it's slow. > > > > Latest devtools changes break some commits not copying files into the > > repos directories. > > > > There is a patch in arch-project ML to fix that. Pierre pushed that patch some hours ago [1], so this should be fixed with the next devtools release. [1] http://projects.archlinux.org/devtools.git/commit/?id=c2420902

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