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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Get Arch Link
by Dieter Plaetinck 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dusty Phillips <buchuki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think there should be a download link in the "About" text, a >> download link on the right hand side, and leave the "Get Arch" link on >> the menu. If anybody misses it in all three places they probably >> wouldn't pass Simo's "Are you human" test on the forum anyway. >> > > I still think there needs to be one in the giant "what's arch" blurb > on the main page. If you're reading that text, you're probably new and > looking for a download. > 1) +1 for general UI revamp. I think most of us agree that it's at _least_ "weird" to have so many important links in the bottom right corner, which is pretty much the least likely place to scan. 2) +1 for renaming "Get arch" to "Download" 3) I would put a new menu item in the top menu, called "About" which also links to the /about page 4) At the end of the 'about' talk, you can put a download link, you can really make it stand out there (after text, few empty lines, then in the center the blue 'download link') 5) I think 2 + 3&4 are better solutions then Aarons "adding a link to the download page in the "what's arch" blurb"-idea: it could be useful, but I think the top-right links really attract the eyes already, and 4 is a good fallback for users who take the other route. 6) The 'releases' block on frontpage: how relevant is any of the information in there?. Only the last release is somewhat relevant on the front page. I suggest removing the block there and moving the information to the download page. (which also needs a revamp/restructure btw, there is lots of wasted space there. 7) the 'package repositories' and 'recent updates' blocks and 'package search' field on the frontpage. Is any of that relevant on the frontpage? Maybe we should put an item 'Packages' in the top menu, and link to /packages. We could extend the packages page (or divide packages related things over multiple pages) to add an overview of available repositories, recently updated packages etc. Putting the above things together: the blocks on the right are gone, the 'documentation' , 'community' etc links can go up, replacing the blocks and making the links more visible. (I do think that having all links visible separately can be good thing - eg they are not hidden because of a menu with 2 levels whether it be dropdown or a tabbed menu with main items and subitems) When we get that far, we might as well swap right and left too: the top menu items aligned left, the links on the left, and the 'about box' and the news on the center/right, but this is more a matter of personal taste I guess. Just my 8 cents :-) PS: I can help with the redesign/restructure if needed, but preferably only after a consensus is reached. It's not that I really like designing things "for fun" but if we reach a (sort of) consensus and you lack the manpower, I would be glad to help. Dieter

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[arch-general] Was: Re: duplicate packages ?
by Jaroslav Lichtblau 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Hi, you may directly talk to the maintainer of those 2 packages, to get the quickest answer. As you can read in the comments of the packages in AUR, rb_libtorrent was renamed to libtorrent-rasterbar by it's developers. Maybe they shouldn't be both in [community], but it's the way gcarrier is managing this transition. I suppose rb_libtorrent will dissapear once it's not needed by other packages. Cheers Jaroslav On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 01:21:35AM +0100, ianux wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering what is the difference between libtorrent-rasterbar and > rb_libtorrent, both in community? I don't see any in PKGBUILDs... > furthermore, there is no fixboost.patch for libtorrent-rasterbar and > an unused gcc4.3.patch for rb_libtorrent in ABS. > Are these duplicates or I missed something? > > -- > radio ianux - http://ianux.fr/ >

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[arch-general] DVD/CD Device /dev/dvd & Co Symlinks Are Broken
by Thomas Bohn 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

When I put my external DVD drive on my computer the devices look like this: ---snip--- /dev/dvd -> /dev/cd/dvd-4:0:0:0 /dev/cd/dvd- -> /dev/sr0 ---snip--- I can access the drive via /dev/sr0, /dev/cd/dvd- and even /dev/scd0 but not via /dev/dvd, because of the wrong enty in /dev/cd This what I got from the debug messages: ---snip--- Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: '/dev/cd/cdrom-' with target '/dev/sr0' has the highest priority 0, create it Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: creating symlink '/dev/cd/cdrom-' to '../sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: '/dev/cd/cdrw-' with target '/dev/sr0' has the highest priority 0, create it Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: creating symlink '/dev/cd/cdrw-' to '../sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: '/dev/cd/dvd-' with target '/dev/sr0' has the highest priority 0, create it Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: creating symlink '/dev/cd/dvd-' to '../sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: update old symlink '/dev/cd/cdrom-4:0:0:0' no longer belonging to '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: no reference left, remove '/dev/cd/cdrom-4:0:0:0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: update old symlink '/dev/cd/cdrw-4:0:0:0' no longer belonging to '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: no reference left, remove '/dev/cd/cdrw-4:0:0:0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: update old symlink '/dev/cd/dvd-4:0:0:0' no longer belonging to '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sr0' Nov 17 23:27:43 proton udevd-event[3301]: no reference left, remove '/dev/cd/dvd-4:0:0:0' ---snip--- The right entries are removed in favour of the wrong entries and I have no idea why that is. Since I can't find the creation of this symlink anywhere in the udev scripts. I use the current udev version and the hal version from testing. But I think it is related to this rule in 81-arch.rules: ---snip--- ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cd/cdrom-%b" ENV{ID_CDROM_CD_RW}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cd/cdrw-%b" ENV{ID_CDROM_DVD}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cd/dvd-%b" ENV{ID_CDROM_DVD_R}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cd/dvd-%b" ---snip--- The variable %b is missing. Where does this rule file gets its variables? I hope someone can help me. Thomas

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[arch-general] About libxaw
by Alessandro Doro 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

The last libxaw package (1.0.5-1) doesn't include version 8 of the library. This breaks some package in community. Example binaries linked to libXaw.so.8: · /usr/bin/lqtplay from libquicktime-1.0.3-2 · /usr/bin/FreeWRL_Message from freewrl-1.20.1-1 Should libxaw include libXaw8.a, libXaw8.so...? Or those packages need a rebuild? Side notes: 1. the libquicktime package doesn't depend on libxaw; 2. freewrl depends on libxaw; no version specified (it can't); 3. should libxaw package provide versioned libraries? Also /usr/lib/libXaw.so from libxaw-1.0.4-1 linked to libXaw8.so; now links to libXaw7.so. bye

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[arch-general] Archive xorg-server 1.4 on Arch Server
by pyther 17 Nov '08

17 Nov '08

Hello. I have updated to Xorg-server 1.5 from testing. However I get extremely low fps (60fps) when running glx-gears. The error I get in the terminal is "Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager. Falling back to classic." After googling I came across this bug report on gentoo tracker: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237468 >From my research it appears that many people who have Intel cards have this issue. I have the Intel 82945G/GZ using the xf86-video-intel driver. From the bug report it seems as if no work is going into supporting TTM, instead all the work with the driver is going into GEM support. I am not sure what TTM and GEM are, which makes my understand weak with the issue at hand. >From what I do understand it has something to do with dri (a backend?) I have updated libdrm to 2.4.1 and xf86-video-intel to 2.5.1 and continue to receive the error as many others do. I am currently in the process of compiling a new kernel that has GEM support. Following the directions from comment 41 of the bug report. >From reading though the bug report is seems as if this GEM technology is unstable and not ready for any type of release. If xorg-server 1.5 is moved from testing to extra, can we have an archive of xorg-server 1.4 and all related packages? This migration is going to affect a lot of archers with Intel cards. Many archers require much higher frames per second. By providing an archive of these packages it will allow new installations and people who upgrade a chance to downgrade to regain performance. Hopefully I was clear in my explanation if not feel free to ask me any questions. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Thank you, ~pyther

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] device-mapper 1.02.29-1 & lvm2 2.02.43-1
by Dieter Plaetinck 16 Nov '08

16 Nov '08

Eric Bélanger wrote: > > Hi, > > device-mapper 1.02.29-1 and lvm2 2.02.43-1 are now in testing for both > arches. It's a minor upstream update. The most important change is: > "Starting with LVM2 release 2.02.43, the device-mapper files are now > included with the LVM2 releases (in ../lvm2)." > I've modified the PKGBUILD accordingly. > > Please test and signoff. I would like 2 signoff for i686 because I > don't use lvm2 on my i686 system so I could only do minor testing. As > I believe few devs use this, signoffs from users are welcomed. > > Eric > I'm a user, not a dev, running on i686. I couldn't find a definition of a 'signoff', but I updated abs, built the 2 new packages, they compiled fine, i installed them, rebooted my system and everything came up fine (dm_crypt+lvm based system). I also tested the basic commands (pvdisplay,lvdisplay) and even did an lvextend and resize2fs on a volume. everything still works fine. (didn't try making new/deleting LV/PV's etc though) Does this count as a "signoff" ? PS: Users cannot send to arch-dev-public(a)archlinux.org, so fwiw I cc'd arch-general. Dieter

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[arch-general] packages feed and duplicates
by Attila 16 Nov '08

16 Nov '08

Hi, i read the packages rss feed (http://www.archlinux.org/feeds/packages) and recognized that every entry is double in the list. Has anyone the same problem? I ask only if this is a known problem or if i should search where is my error. See you, Attila

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[arch-general] Fwd: arch-dev-public Digest, Vol 21, Issue 26
by Abdul Halim 16 Nov '08

16 Nov '08

Hi. Sorry for the late reply. Me was wondering on how to comment on the bluez status till Dieter Plaetinck mail to arch-general. Bluez in testing will cause a dependency issue for gnokii. Please refer to the following URL: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=55108 Maybe gnokii can't compile against the new bluez libraries. Hopefully my info is not old news. I am just helping out cause I use bluez frequently... :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <arch-dev-public-request(a)archlinux.org> Date: Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:16 PM Subject: arch-dev-public Digest, Vol 21, Issue 26 To: arch-dev-public(a)archlinux.org Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:01:36 -0600 From: "Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [arch-dev-public] bluez status? To: "Public mailing list for ArchLinux development" <arch-dev-public(a)archlinux.org> Message-ID: <d64a48980811130901l594798a6s660f73adcc167895(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Jud <jud(a)judfilm.net> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:56:02 +0300 > "Roman Kyrylych" <roman.kyrylych(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2008/10/16 Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com>: >> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Thayer Williams >> > <thayer(a)archlinux.org> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Hugo Doria <hugodoria(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Allan McRae >> >>> <allan(a)archlinux.org> wrote: >> >>>> Is anyone going to attempt this rebuild? This is holding up >> >>>> gnome which is holding up python which means I can't slack of at >> >>>> work doing rebuilds... I will do these if necessary but I have >> >>>> no way of testing any of these packages so it would be better if >> >>>> someone else did this. >> >>> >> >>> Same here. I do not have a way to test it. >> >>> >> >>> -- Hugo >> >>> >> >> >> >> I have no experience with the bluez stuff, but I do have bluetooth >> >> capability on my notebook and WinMo phone. I would be happy to test >> >> out any packages if we have a criteria to test against. >> > >> > Oh hey! My phone supports bluetooth too. I wonder what it'd take to >> > have it talk to my laptop... >> > >> >> Same here. >> I've setup myself to deal with bugs first though, >> but if noone will update it in a couple of days - I'll take a look at >> it and related gnome packages. >> >> -- >> Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) > > Hi Devs, > > It's been sometime without any replies, would it possible for someone > to have ago at the Bluez packages please? > > If not, may I suggest that an open announcement be made for a new Dev > to take-over the Bluez packages and/or the Bluez packages be dropped to > the AUR for someone else to pickup the slack. Do we have anyone that regularly uses bluetooth and can test this?

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[arch-general] New udev rules
by Peter Lewis 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Hi folks, I'm new to posting here, but figured that it might be the place to ask about this kind of thing :-) I just bought a new printer/scanner - a Brother DCP-305C - and noticed that it's not included in the udev rules for sane (/etc/udev/rules.d/53-sane.rules), though quite a lot of similar models are. Basically the scanner wouldn't work until I added: # Brother DCP-350C ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01d0", MODE="0664", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" So... how does one go about getting this included in the default ruleset? Is it an Arch thing or done upstream? Thanks in advance, Pete.

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[arch-general] Fifa: Flexible Installer Framework for Arch linux
by Dieter Plaetinck 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Hi all, at first I wanted to make an automated installer for Arch Linux (with scripts that specify all the specific aspects of the system). When starting to build this, I looked at the archboot scripts (/arch/setup and /arch/quickinst on the install cd) and noticed that I could re-use lots of code if it would have been split up more (eg I can't just source the useful functions in /arch/setup, I have to source the whole thing and hence, start the installer). So I started writing "Fifa: the Flexible Installer Framework for Arch linux" : http://github.com/Dieterbe/fifa It's designed to be a general, flexible framework for installations. It uses the concepts of 'phases' and 'workers'. There are 4 phases (preparation, basics, system, finish), which can each invoke workers (to get a package list, install packages, install boot loader etc etc). The workers and phases can be overridden by creating profiles. So the whole idea is you can create whatever installation procedure you like (prescripted, autodetection, interactive,...) and you can combine functionality from different profiles and you can reuse lots of code. Keep it mind it's still very, very early in development. It doesn't work yet, but if you look at the code you'll see the basic ideas (and the code is maybe simpler then the explanation). Right now I'm still working on better understanding the archboot scripts, refactoring that code to make it reusable and building an automated, prescripted installer for myself. ( Once the basics are working, it should actually be very simple to port the current archboot scripts to this system. )

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