December 2010 - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org

[arch-general] dropping go-openoffice/icu-4.6 rebuilds
by Andreas Radke 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

The former ooo-build project "go-openoffice" is deprecated by upstream developers in favor of the upcoming LibreOffice (LibO). It's time to drop it from our repos while we are rebuilding all OpenOffice branches for the icu-4.6 .so-bump. Please use the vanilla Oracle openoffice-base packages or try out the new and already very stable libreoffice packages. The Oracle office beta and devel packages will get rebuilt when new upstream releases will happen. Don't expect them to work when we move icu-4.6. They are of low interest. -Andy

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[arch-general] why I'd rather use Python over Javascript for web development
by C Anthony Risinger 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Kaiting Chen <kaitocracy(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony(a)extof.me>wrote: > >> the benefit to the pyjs approach is 100% client side operation, so it >> can run without online access. additionally, the python-DOM version >> (or the pyjs version if proxying thru a local daemon) could >> potentially direct install from the website, leading to "install now" >> functionality. lastly, python means you could use the same lang to >> write the front end and the backend, and communicate using JSON >> messages. >> >> as a professional web applications developer by day, i can vouch that >> writing webapps requires knowledge of about 4 different haphazardly >> implemented "standards", requiring far to much painfully acquired >> knowledge. by using a library like pyjamas, you allow anyone with >> python experience to write incredibly functional plugins/modules, and >> share maintenance load. django is a great platform, but after i >> discovered pyjamas about 1yr ago, i haven't looked back, and am >> convinced that compiler technology is the only sane way to develop >> complex and maintainable web-based applications. > > Out of curiosity why is everyone so again just writing Javascript? Everyone > seems to want to write in some other language and then compile to Javascript > these days. --Kaiting. well for me at least, it not 100% related to javascript itself; JS is an incredibly powerful language that will let you hang yourself again and again :-) primarily, it's: ) JS is completely unstructured. powerful, but causes developers to implement many things that would be a part of the core syntax in other langs ) the ^^^^ causes many different impls of the same, and new devs to misuse the really great things about JS, like first-class closures. leads to absolutely obtuse and horrendous looking libraries, with weird semantics for its usage, like passing objects to emulate named arguments, and a hundred other more prudent examples. ) umpteen number of naunces between browsers, browser versions, and half-eaten standards. maddening. combined with [some] similar problems with both HTML and CSS, and it's enough to drive one ape-sh*t. soooo.... i use a python abstraction to give me my favorite language and all it's goodies while also shielding me from platform variation, along with widget libraries to support the build-once-deploy-everywhere thinking. yes, JS has some decent libraries, and widget sets (don't say extjs). but pyjamas can be ran as a 100% python desktop app too. so ultimately, compiler tech gives me a 100% cross-desktop cross-platform cross-browser cross-version solution... try it out, it's like finding a nude beach after walking 100km thru a blizzard :-) C Anthony

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] filesystem 2010.12-1
by Jesse Young 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:21:41 +0100, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > Morning, > > this is a minor update to the filesystem package and I hope we can > finally move it to core. Only change is: > > * don't check if profiles are executable; FS#22036 > > Please sign off, Hopefully I'm not too late. But I think you should know that filesystem depends on iana-etc, which is not in the base group, nor is it on the core install CD. What I would do is to add iana-etc to base/core ISO, which should not hold up this signoff, but if another course of action is taken, it might block this filesystem release from moving to core. I've opened https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22101 to track this task. conditional-user-unsignoff x86_64. Regards, Jesse

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[arch-general] Howto Preserve Current Kernel through Update?
by David C. Rankin 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Guys, I want to keep the current kernel while I upgrade to 2.6.36-2 and where I confused is how to use mkinitcpio to do this. What I think I can do to preserve the current kernel as 2.6.36-dcr is: (1) cp -a /lib/modules/2.6.36-ARCH /lib/modules/2.6.36-dcr (2) mkinitcpio -k 2.6.35-dcr \ -c /etc/mkinitcpio.conf \ -g /boot/kernel26-dcr.img mkinitcpio -k 2.6.35-dcr \ -c /etc/mkinitcpio.conf \ -g /boot/kernel26-dcr-fallback.img \ -S autodetect (3) update grub menu.lst and create entries for the dcr kernel Before I wasted too much time chasing my tail, I thought would put this out to the list and see if (or what) I'm missing. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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Re: [arch-general] Testing kills shm and pts
by jesse jaara 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Shm is used by pulseaudio I think and also i copy my chromium profile from hd to shm an boot and then remove cache and copy the profile back to hd when i shutdown. Also it is used by one script that simply touches a lock file in there. Reproducing is as simple as just rebooting the pc and the permissions are broken and shm is mounted whit beautiful size of mere 10 mb and it used to mount whit a size of 1.4G :D (it broke my chromium profile :( as it didn't fit in there ) Il try to add those options and the size option too to the fstab and see if that helps, hopely this won't eat my chromium profile again :D -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

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[arch-general] Testing kills shm and pts
by jesse jaara 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

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[arch-general] 2010.12-1 archboot "2k10-R8" ISO hybrid image released
by Tobias Powalowski 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Hi Arch community, Arch Linux (archboot creation tool) 2010.12-1, "2k10-R8" has been released. To avoid confusion, this is not an official arch linux iso release! Homepage and for more information on archboot: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot Forum: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110009 Summary: - bugfix release with latest kernels Hybrid image file and torrent is provided, which include i686 and x86_64 core repository. Please check md5sum before using it. Hybrid image file is a standard CD-burnable image and also a raw disk image. - Can be burned to CD(RW) media using most CD-burning utilities. - Can be raw-written to a drive using 'dd' or similar utilities. This method is intended for use with USB thumb drives. Please get it from your favorite arch linux mirror: - http://www.archlinux.de/?page=GetFileFromMirror;file=iso/archboot/2010.12 - <yourmirror>/iso/archboot/2010.12/ Have fun, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-general] Minor type in Create-Archboot-Allinone-Howto.txt
by David C. Rankin 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

tpowa There is a minor typo in Create-Archboot-Allinone-Howto.txt Install archboot and update to latest packages: # configure pacman.conf and mirrorlost to your needs above 'mirrorlost' should be mirrorlist Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.27-1
by Andreas Radke 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Am Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:49:03 +0100 schrieb Andreas Radke <a.radke(a)arcor.de>: > Upstream update. Please sign off. > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.32.27 > > -Andy > Anyone? It's also fixes a vulnerability.

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[arch-general] Patent protection
by Armando M. Baratti 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Probably many of you know about the acquisition of 882 of Novell's patents by a Microsoft organized consortium [1]. What you may not know is that, as Novell was part of OIN (Open Invention Network), those that join OIN *before* the closing date for the acquisition (about january 23) will be protected from any harassment regarding these patents. This [2] Groklaw's article explains it in more detail. It works because the patents are granted perpetually to OIN members that have jointed before the closing date, even in the case of a sell (like occurred in this case). You don't need to have patents or be a company to join (for free) OIN. Any project (like Arch Linux), or even an individual can do it. I understand that *if* MS will use them, it'll be with the big guys (or at least some company). Probably they will prefer to use the patents just for FUD. But OTOH we have nothing to loose (not even patents :-), and it's free. [1] http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2010112410321… [2] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101206205654916 Armando

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