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Re: [arch-general] A question about Arch Sixty Four
by Nicky726 25 May '10

25 May '10

Dne Po 24. května 2010 15:36:37 Keith Hinton at arch-general- request(a)archlinux.org napsal(a): > Hi all. > I had a question about the sixty four bit port of Arch in general so > figured this would be an okay place besides IRC to obtain any help I > needed. I wanted to find out ruffly how much memory Arch sixty four will > use for any program in general, regardless of GUI/console? > I have an Intel 2 core dule T9600 2.80 GHZ, 4 Gb of RAM installed, with a > 320 Gb hard-drive installed in my laptop. > I tend to put a lot of RAM aside for virtual machines specifically. At > present due to some requirements, I'm using Arch virtually on top of a > Windows Seven host. > I want to put this setup later on to Linux, and for now am doing fine with > this virtual stuff. However I should mention that the host is 32-bit at > present, and I was curious how much RAM is used in general under pure Arch > 64? > I would probably attempt to alocate about 3GB from the system. > Anyone using virtualization and VMs heavily on any platform is aware of > the RAM requirements, surely. > I was just curious if I'd be making a mistake and/or if this would be > possible? > Thanks! > > Regards, --Keith > Skype: skypedude1234 > MSN Messenger: > keithint37(a)hotmail.com > Yahoo messenger /AIM: > keithint1234 Hi, I have experimentally found out, that 64 bit Linux distro uses like 40 -- 80 % more of RAM than 32 bit. Now it seemed to be both aplication and distro dependant, with Arch being on the better side. Though I've got to say again, it was not a benchmark, just my personal experiment. As for me, if I had a machine with plenty RAM (that is from my perspective ~GB), than I would choose 64 bit. If I had like 1 -- 2 GB, than I would definitely go 32 bit. Hope I did understand your question right. -- Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone (Joni Mitchell)

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[arch-general] A question about Arch Sixty Four
by Keith Hinton 25 May '10

25 May '10

Hi all. I had a question about the sixty four bit port of Arch in general so figured this would be an okay place besides IRC to obtain any help I needed. I wanted to find out ruffly how much memory Arch sixty four will use for any program in general, regardless of GUI/console? I have an Intel 2 core dule T9600 2.80 GHZ, 4 Gb of RAM installed, with a 320 Gb hard-drive installed in my laptop. I tend to put a lot of RAM aside for virtual machines specifically. At present due to some requirements, I'm using Arch virtually on top of a Windows Seven host. I want to put this setup later on to Linux, and for now am doing fine with this virtual stuff. However I should mention that the host is 32-bit at present, and I was curious how much RAM is used in general under pure Arch 64? I would probably attempt to alocate about 3GB from the system. Anyone using virtualization and VMs heavily on any platform is aware of the RAM requirements, surely. I was just curious if I'd be making a mistake and/or if this would be possible? Thanks! Regards, --Keith Skype: skypedude1234 MSN Messenger: keithint37(a)hotmail.com Yahoo messenger /AIM: keithint1234

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[arch-general] A mirror question
by Keith Hinton 24 May '10

24 May '10

Hi, I was wondering what the best mirror would be for someone living ni Ohio? I'm curious if there are better mirrors than what I'm currently using? The present mirror I'm using is the esanews mirror, and I frequently get this while performing pacman upgrades with pacman -Syu: Could not download community.db and other such messages. Are there better mirrors in general? Or should I run the mirrorrank script? Hopefully the mirror script will use a U.S mirror as I live in the U.S. I mention Ohio because that's the state I live in presently, and am only trying to figure out if I could find a mirror that might be closer, or whatever. Thanks! Happy Arch linuxing! Regards, --Keith

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[arch-general] Strange suspend behaviour
by Stefan Afradi 24 May '10

24 May '10

I've set up my system so that when I close the laptop lid the computer goes into suspend mode. However, when I wake it up by pressing the power button the system starts, and after 3-5 sec it goes into suspend mode again. If I then press the power button again, it starts and stays on. Suggestions? -- Stefan

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[arch-general] Fwd: AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 24 May '10

24 May '10

sorry, forgot the list again... wont happen again! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> Date: Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy To: Xavier Chantry <chantry.xavier(a)gmail.com> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Xavier Chantry <chantry.xavier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 02:04:41 +0200 >> "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck >>> <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: >>> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 >>> > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any >>> >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in >>> >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* >>> >> > >>> >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of >>> >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), >>> >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. >>> >> >>> >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) >>> >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe >>> >> >>> >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) >>> >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l >>> >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy >>> >> >>> >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with >>> >> this) i had to uncomment: >>> >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... >>> >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image >>> >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is >>> >> missing. >>> >> >>> >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly >>> >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. >>> >> >>> >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf >>> >> >>> >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) >>> > >>> > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. >>> > >>> > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function >>> > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function >>> > you can override this with your own. >>> >>> awesome tip! many thanks, again! >>> >>> at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: >>> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u >>> >>> and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py >>> works too, YAY! >>> >>> going to bed tired and happy :) >>> .andre >> >> actually i meant you can redefine the target_write_pacman_conf in your >> profile (pacinst.aif) >> >> btw i checked pacman.conf and it seems pacman by default uses a >> built-in http thingie, which does not support proxies. >> I think for aif, it's probably better to use the wget Xfercommand so >> that proxies work, especially for the target system. i'll check this on >> the pacman-dev mailing list. >> >> (btw you forgot reply to all) >> >> Dieter >> > > libfetch does support many proxy just fine, but it might be less > flexible than others. > Andre, can you show us *exactly* how you set http_proxy variable ? > In particular make sure you specified a protocol for the the URL. *DOH* (homer style) yes! i forgot to add http:// and ftp:// to the variables >.<* this works wonderfully with squid: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/216945/ now i only wonder what would be the best way and place to save these variables in the installed system ? in worker_configure_system() in the users aif profile ? but where should i write them on the installed system ? and can i restrict it only to pacman ? (for general proxy like squid. pacproxy.py would be only used by pacman, hence my main interest on it) 1000x thanks for the tips!

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[arch-general] Gnome - blank dialog when resuming from suspend
by Matthew Monaco 23 May '10

23 May '10

I'm having trouble finding a bug report on this but I've experienced it on 4 different computers. When I suspend (pm-utils) though System -> Shut Down -> Suspend (button), the shut down dialog is still on the screen and blank, when I resume. Anyone know exactly what's responsible for this? gnome-screensaver, pm-utils, gdm, ...? And if it's upstream or a distribution thing? (I think upstream). Thanks

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[arch-general] Recent telepathy-butterfly upgrade breaks MSN connection?
by Ye Li 23 May '10

23 May '10

Hi guys, Anyone met problems after the recent upgrade of telepathy-butterfly? In my box most of buddies are marked *offline* although they are actually online. Even oddly, downgrade telepathy-butterfly to 0.5.9-1 cannot solve the problem. So I'm wondering if this is a problem caused by the new butterfly package? Or something wrong else(e.g. MSN server problem). Thanks sincerely. Best Regards -- Ye LI

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[arch-general] new upstream tracker (linuxtesting.org)
by Andrey Ponomarenko 22 May '10

22 May '10

Hello, I'm from ISPRAS and we have created an experimental system for monitoring and analyzing of upstream libraries development. It may be helpful for analyzing risks of updating one of the distribution components (shared libraries). The web page of upstream-tracker is: http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/ It now includes ABI changes analysis and shallow API test results for several versions of 60 popular open source libraries. Any bugs or feature requests are welcome. Thanks. -- Andrey Ponomarenko Linux Verification Center, ISPRAS web: http://www.linuxtesting.org

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Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy
by Dieter Plaetinck 22 May '10

22 May '10

On Sat, 22 May 2010 02:04:41 +0200 "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck > <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: > > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 > > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any > >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in > >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* > >> > > >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of > >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), > >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. > >> > >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) > >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe > >> > >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) > >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l > >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy > >> > >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with > >> this) i had to uncomment: > >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... > >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image > >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is > >> missing. > >> > >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly > >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. > >> > >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf > >> > >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) > > > > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. > > > > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function > > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function > > you can override this with your own. > > awesome tip! many thanks, again! > > at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: > XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u > > and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py > works too, YAY! > > going to bed tired and happy :) > .andre actually i meant you can redefine the target_write_pacman_conf in your profile (pacinst.aif) btw i checked pacman.conf and it seems pacman by default uses a built-in http thingie, which does not support proxies. I think for aif, it's probably better to use the wget Xfercommand so that proxies work, especially for the target system. i'll check this on the pacman-dev mailing list. (btw you forgot reply to all) Dieter

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[arch-general] Fwd: AIF through proxy
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 22 May '10

22 May '10

or i fail in using gmail... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> Date: Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [arch-general] AIF through proxy To: Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be> wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 22:41:12 +0200 > "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <andre.osku.schmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> just gives me the usage info, without any >> >> errors... and also the "Invalid URL scheme" errors that i see in >> >> tty7 are nowhere to find in /var/log/* >> > >> > what i would do in a case like this is just monitor the output of >> > 'pstree' to see which processes is running (ie wget, pacman, ..), >> > then you can debug the networking issue from there. >> >> oooh! you learn new things every day :) >> super tip. thanks! i got something, maybe >> >> pstree shows (when it hangs in url scheme error) >> aif /sbin/aif -p automatic -c /root/pacinst.aif -d -l >> |--pacman --root /mnt --config /tmp/pacman.conf -Sy >> >> and as according to some forum post (and it seems to work only with >> this) i had to uncomment: >> XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget ... >> in /etc/pacman.conf to get pacman to work on the installer image >> console. and now looking at the /tmp/pacman.conf, this option is >> missing. >> >> but as i assumed (and test showed) the /tmp/pacman.conf gets newly >> generated on every aif run. so i cant edit that. >> >> what file could i edit to get that xfercommand in /tmp/pacman.conf >> >> (this looks even closer, OMG! /me is crossing fingers... :) > > another tip: just grep in the aif source code and you'll see. > > if you grep for '/tmp/pacman.conf' you'll see there is a function > target_write_pacman_conf in lib-pacman.sh, like any other function you > can override this with your own. awesome tip! many thanks, again! at line 72 in /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-pacman.sh i added: XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u and aif gets packets though squid! and whats even better, pacproxy.py works too, YAY! going to bed tired and happy :) .andre

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