May 2010 - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org

[arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??
by David C. Rankin 20 May '10

20 May '10

Guys, I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: 15:10 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david david 4096 May 18 15:04 . drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 May 18 15:04 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 i586 drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 noarch drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 src drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 x86_64 15:11 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> for i in $(ls); do ls ${i}; done ls: cannot access i586: No such file or directory ls: cannot access noarch: No such file or directory ls: cannot access src: No such file or directory ls: cannot access x86_64: No such file or directory 15:11 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11> for i in $(ls -d ./*); do ls ${i}; done ls: cannot access ./i586: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./noarch: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./src: No such file or directory ls: cannot access ./x86_64: No such file or directory Huh? Same thing on a suse box: 15:14 alchemy:~/dt/compiz/compiz_11.0> l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david dcr 4096 2010-05-17 23:56 ./ drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:28 ../ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:24 i586/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-17 23:56 noarch/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:22 src/ drwxr-xr-x 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:21 x86_64/ 15:15 alchemy:~/dt/compiz/compiz_11.0> for i in $(ls); do ls -1 ${i}; done compiz-0.8.6-46.1.i586.rpm compiz-bcop-0.8.4-6.1.i586.rpm compizconfig-settings-manager-0.8.4-4.4.i586.rpm compiz-plugins-extra-0.8.6-8.3.i586.rpm compiz-plugins-extra-devel-0.8.6-8.3.i586.rpm <snip> What could keep the simple cli from working on Arch? I know this stuff worked before updates this morning... What should I look at? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] New core package: linux-firmware
by Matthew Monaco 20 May '10

20 May '10

On 05/19/2010 05:39 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > As a followup to a discussion on [arch-general] in the Linux 2.6.34 > thread ([1] and others), I think we should do the following: > > - Create a linux-firmware package from the linux-firmware.git tree. > - Make that package conflict and replace all other firmware that it > obsoletes: > replaces=('kernel26-firmware' > 'ar9170-fw' > 'iwlwifi-1000-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-3945-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-4965-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-5000-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-5150-ucode' > 'iwlwifi-6000-ucode' > 'rt2870usb-fw' > 'rt2x00-rt61-fw' > 'rt2x00-rt71w-fw') > All other firmware packages contain only files that are not part of > linux-firmware. > - Remove the firmware from the kernel26 PKGBUILD, only use the > linux-firmware package instead > > I'm putting a package with the according conflicts/replaces to testing. > Please comment, test it thoroughly and give feedback. > > [1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-May/013329.html > Maybe this is a little premature, or altogether irrelevant, but now that we're reorganizing all of the firmware what can we expect in terms of its inclusion in the initcpio? Is there a direct relationship between modules and firmware so that just what's needed can be loaded automatically? Is it too much to just take it all with a 'firmware' hook?

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] phoronix: Is Arch faster than Ubuntu?
by Xavier Chantry 19 May '10

19 May '10

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Came across my reader today >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 >>> >>> Pretty neat. >> >> Showing boot-up time and other more noticeable waits would be a much >> better comparison; I think the benchmarks are not why people think >> Arch feels faster. > > Right but the reason I think this is interesting is that the data > shows it is "feels faster" not "is faster". > I basically agree with everything that was said and will try to re-conciliate the different opinions : 1. This benchmark is not particularly useful, as we are often used with Phoronix. They are often not well chosen and/or with bad interpretation, so it often annoys people who know better about a specific software/project. 2. Phoronix's benchmarks have the merit to exist and to provide facts, as opposed to many users who claims X is faster than Y, and NEVER provide any facts/numbers/benchmarks, even when specifically asked. I saw it happening many times in Arch community over the time, so now we at least have some data to show them. So I would still thank phoronix for providing benchmarking tools and results, which are definitely useful and needed. IMO the most interesting benchmarks are the ones comparing different versions of the same software, but this would also better be made in collaboration with upstream developers, as these are probably the only people able to really make sense and explain results. In any cases, thanks for the link Aaron :)

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[arch-general] Article about aircrack in the wiki
by Karol Babioch 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi, I don't know whether my memory is right on that, but as far as I can remember there was an article in the wiki describing how to setup and use the aircrack- ng suite. I can't find this one anymore :(. Therefore I suppose it has been deleted. Am I right on this? If so, was there any specific reason? Any legal issues? I can't imagine that nobody has written an article about these tools. Is it safe to do so, or are there any concerns that should discourage me? I'm not a lawyer, but as there is a quite good documentation on the project site (http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=getting_started) it can't be that critical, can it? Normally you always have the possibility to say that you want to use it for educational purposes at home, at least from what I'm aware of. So is there any specific reason why there isn't such an article yet (but my memory tells me that there was one :)), or hasn't anyone thought of this until now? -- Best regards, Karol Babioch

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[arch-general] pkg-proxy ?
by Andre "Osku" Schmidt 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi, i would like to experiment with (semi) automatic installation and configuration of my arch system(s). and to make it more faster i would like to setup a "pkg-proxy". on debian there are many tools for this http://www.debian-administration.org/polls/139 but i would rather not yet use squid (too much hassle) ;) at the moment i would use it on my host system, serving packages for vm clients. (when i get more money/hardware, i would try squid as transparent proxy) so, is there a tool for arch linux that caches arch packages, and which i can use as proxy in the arch installer and beyond. thanks .andre

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[arch-general] NFS v3 file locking issue with OpenOffice
by Andreas Radke 19 May '10

19 May '10

Am Thu, 13 May 2010 16:37:49 +0200 schrieb Andreas Radke <a.radke(a)arcor.de>: > upstream update 2.6.32.13. our gcc4.5 patch went upstream. > > -Andy > Since I've updated my server from .27 lts kernel to .32 series I've run into a small but annoying issue. I'm running nfs v3 nothing special. my options in /etc/exports: /path/to/share IP(rw,async,no_root_squash) OpenOffice is no more able to open files in writable mode. Somehow the server fails to lock the file properly and OOo refuses to safe files / refused to open files in writable mode. It seems there have been file locking issues in the past with OOo and some other apps http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/bugs/openoffice-over-nfs.jspx It happens with our Arch OOo pkg and also with a client running Ubuntu Lucid here. I'd rather like to fix this and don't want to step up to nfs v4 right now. Can somebody confirm my locking issue and that it's caused by .32 kernels? Any idea how to solve it? -Andy

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[arch-general] kernel 2.6.34-1
by Tobias Powalowski 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi guys, kernel 2.6.34 first test run ... Upstream changes: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges Arch Linux bugfixes/feature requests: # added manpages and documents as separate package http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/17892 Arch Linux changes: - nouveau module moved into kernel tree, all nvidia binary packages include now a blacklist_nouveau.conf file, to avoid loading of nouveau module, instead of nvidia module. Broken binary modules: - fcpci,fcpcmcia,slmodem though no fix available yet. Enjoy have fun and give me feedback, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-general] PulseAudio package group
by Jan Steffens 19 May '10

19 May '10

I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a "pulse" group. This group would also include a "pulse-asoundrc" package containing a pulse-configured asound.conf, as well as depending on alsa-plugins. Should I go ahead with this? Any suggestions?

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[arch-general] Fwd: testing kernel crashes on bootup
by Tobias Powalowski 19 May '10

19 May '10

---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Betreff: testing kernel crashes on bootup Datum: Dienstag 18 Mai 2010, 23:57:44 Von: Kris <kfs1(a)online.no> An: t.powa(a)gmx.de on i686. kernel 2.6.34. just replying to this: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2010-May/016872.html image of crash: http://imgur.com/RDLN5 ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?
by Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 19 May '10

19 May '10

Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and DHCP... This id very reliable. I can usually disconnect the laptop from the Ethernet cable and bring it into the livingroom for various offline use. Then when I bring it back to my desk, all I usually have to to is plug the Ethernet cable back in and wait a few seconds and the Internet will start to work again. BUT that is contingent on the Ethernet cable having been connected during boot up. So if for example I were to boot up my laptop in the livingroom where there isn't an Ethernet connection the boot process will delay at the point where it's screen message says its starting the network. Then it says it failed and continues setting everything else up. At this point, if I bring the laptop back to the desk, and plug in the Ethernet cable, it doesn't automatically connect. I tried: # ifconfig eth0 up but ping still doesn't find my ISP What am I missing???? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtwdyp(a)ttlc.net>>

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