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[arch-general] Top Posting Revisited
by gt 22 Dec '11

22 Dec '11

Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, yet consistently brought up topic. I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone points out to someone that top posting is bad. I was off the list for a while, and now when i came back, the story is still the same. I know top posting is bad, and i too sometimes preach people to avoid it. But from what i've seen, most of the times, people don't bother, or simply don't know what's wrong. Instead of having top-posting related mails in every thread, there should be a better way out. I suggest all of the top-posting haters should including one of these links or similar in their signatures. http://idallen.com/topposting.html http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Also, we can have a forum and mailing list etiquette drive for a few days, with mention in the arch linux news, the mailing list, and setting it as the topic in the irc channel also. I know this is probably overkill, but it'll probably inform a lot more people about these issues than some stray posts in every other thread. PS: Since arch is always ahead of the other distros in adopting new stuff and bringing about change, let's be the first ones to spread some netiquette. -- O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org

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[arch-general] Pacman: Installing a group that has the same name as a package?
by Magnus Therning 21 Dec '11

21 Dec '11

I just ran into this funny little problem :) There is a package named "systemd", there is also a group named "systemd". How do I install the group with pacman? It keeps on offering me the package only: ~~~~ $ sudo pacman -Sg systemd systemd initscripts-systemd systemd systemd systemd systemd-arch-units $ sudo pacman -S systemd resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... Targets (1): systemd-37-2 Total Download Size: 0.79 MB Total Installed Size: 5.11 MB Proceed with installation? [Y/n] ~~~~ /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus(a)therning.org jabber: magnus(a)therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus

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[arch-general] Haskell Support Was: [arch-haskell] Xmonad version?
by Bernardo Barros 21 Dec '11

21 Dec '11

Haskell platform was released with the latest stable GHC (7.0.4 of course). Guys, what's happening with haskell support in Arch? Xmonad, and now GHC and lots of packages in the supported repos are not keeping update with upstream.

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[arch-general] umount fails with `mount disagrees with the fstab' after updated to filesystem 2011.12-2 on NFS
by Ricardo Catalinas Jiménez 20 Dec '11

20 Dec '11

Following the instructions from arch-announce I did: $ sudo pacman -S filesystem --force Everything works fine except when umounting a NFS volume: $ mount /mnt/anubis $ umount /mnt/anubis umount: /mnt/anubis mount disagrees with the fstab The relevant line from fstab: anubis:/home/ricardo /mnt/anubis nfs user,noauto 0 0 And from mtab: anubis:/home/ricardo/ /mnt/anubis nfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime, vers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,timeo=600, retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=192.168.1.1,mountvers=3,mountport=33441, mountproto=udp,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.1.1 0 0 Anyone having troubles with NFS and the new mtab? Regards -- Ricardo (http://r.untroubled.be/)

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[arch-general] Unable to upgrade community/rekonq (PGP signature issue)
by Keshav P R 20 Dec '11

20 Dec '11

Hi all, I am unable to upgrade community/rekonq from 0.8.0-1 to 0.8.1-1 due to error: rekonq: key "22AD5874F39D989F" is unknown error: key "22AD5874F39D989F" could not be looked up remotely error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf has no-greeting no-permission-warning lock-never # keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu /etc/pacman.conf has GPGDir = /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ SigLevel = Optional TrustAll I see that many other users have successfully upgraded this package. Any idea whats wrong? Thanks in advance. Regards. Keshav

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[arch-general] Question regarding the default file manager in XFCE
by Vladimir Nikšić 20 Dec '11

20 Dec '11

I'm using xfce wm. I rarely even use a file manager, I do things through the console almost all the time, but sometimes I need a file manager, makes some things easier. Thunar as a file manager is OK, but nautilus is a lot more powerful, has decent tab implementation etc, etc, doesn't really matter. I went to settings -> preferred application and selected Nautilus under File Manager. This works only to the extent that when I click on Application Menu and then file manager, Nautilus starts up. I would like it so that Nautilus starts when I click on a directory or some sort of volume (loop mount, usb stick, whatever, nfs share) on the desktop. Instead, thunar always starts, which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the preferred application setup? Am I asking something that's technically difficult or maybe there's a good reason why this can't be done? Thanks!

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[arch-general] Xmonad session fails since upgrade
by Mathias Huber 20 Dec '11

20 Dec '11

Dear Archers, I've had a working Xmonad installation since May, I start it via GDM and "/usr/share/xsessions/xmonad.desktop" as described in Arch wiki. However, since the latest "pacman -Syu" GDM just tells me it was unable to start the Xmonad session. I've issued "xmonad --recompile" several times, which didn't help. "~/.xmonad/xmonad.errors" is brand new, but empty. my latest related updates: [2011-12-17 11:11] upgraded xmobar (0.13-2 -> 0.14-1) [2011-12-17 11:11] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-17 11:11] upgraded xmonad (0.9.2-2.1 -> 0.9.2-3) [2011-12-17 11:11] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-17 11:11] upgraded xmonad-contrib (0.9.2-3 -> 0.9.2-4) [2011-12-17 11:28] Running 'pacman -S xmonad-contrib' [2011-12-17 11:29] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-17 11:29] upgraded xmonad-contrib (0.9.2-4 -> 0.9.2-4) [2011-12-17 11:32] Running 'pacman -S xmonad' [2011-12-17 11:32] unregistering xmonad-0.9.2 would break the following packages: xmonad-contrib-0.9.2 (ignoring) [2011-12-17 11:32] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-17 11:32] upgraded xmonad (0.9.2-3 -> 0.9.2-3) [2011-12-18 18:48] Running 'pacman -Syu' [2011-12-18 18:48] synchronizing package lists [2011-12-18 18:48] starting full system upgrade [2011-12-18 18:49] unregistering xmonad-0.9.2 would break the following packages: xmonad-contrib-0.9.2 (ignoring) [2011-12-18 18:49] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-18 18:49] upgraded xmonad (0.9.2-3 -> 0.10-1) [2011-12-18 18:49] Reading package info from stdin ... done. [2011-12-18 18:49] upgraded xmonad-contrib (0.9.2-4 -> 0.10-1) [2011-12-18 18:49] upgraded xorg-server-common (1.11.2-2 -> 1.11.3-1) [2011-12-18 18:49] upgraded xorg-server (1.11.2-2 -> 1.11.3-1) (END) Please advise, Thank you. Best, Mathias

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [ANNOUNCE] filesystem-2011.12 manual intervention required
by Keshav P R 19 Dec '11

19 Dec '11

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 23:21, Tom Gundersen <teg(a)jklm.no> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Dave Reisner <d(a)falconindy.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:38:11PM -0500, Dave Reisner wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 05:57:51PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > >> > Hi guys, > >> > > >> > We are finalizing the move to libmonut based mount, paving the way for > >> > read-only root, by moving /etc/mtab into the filesystem package. This > >> > used to be a dynamic file generated at boot and updated at runtime, > >> > but as of the last initscripts package it was simply a symlink to > >> > /proc/self/mounts. > >> > > >> > This symlink was created at boot (at the same place the old mtab was > >> > generated), but this turned out to cause a few problems. > >> > > >> > Sadly, moving the symlink to 'filesystem' requires user intervention, > >> > which I will write a news item about. The essential message will be: > >> > > >> > "Please upgrade the filesystem package using 'pacman -Sf filesystem' > >> > in order to overwrite /etc/mtab." > >> > >> I'd prefer to ask people to rm /etc/mtab and -Su, rather than advertise > >> -f (which has been removed in pacman-git, leaving only --force). > >> > >> > Please test and signoff, as I'd like to make the move to core rather > quickly. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Tom > > > > Gah.. and of course saying that, and then going and doing it -- the > > missing mtab makes pacman choke on diskspace checking. --force might be > > the easier option here... > > Yeah, I'll make this clear in the news item. --force is always, > always, always wrong. Except for this one time, when it is the only > solution ;-) > > -t > Sorry to interrupt guys but can't this be done in pre_upgrade function in .INSTALL script of the package? Quote: man PKGBUILD pre_install Run right before files are extracted. One argument is passed: new package full version string. pre_upgrade Run right before files are extracted. Two arguments are passed in this order: new package full version string, old package full version string. Regards. Keshav

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[arch-general] Extrange message regarding gnome-keyring
by Hector Martinez-Seara 19 Dec '11

19 Dec '11

Hi, for some time ( one week maybe) I see the following message regarding gnome-keyring. WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-3TI6ND/pkcs11: No such file or directory This meassage can be seen for example in my .xsession-errors file or when opening winecfg among others. The issue is that indeed this file do not exist. I have the /tmp/keyring-3TI6ND/dir but is empty. I guess that this means that gnonome-keyring was not somehow initialized properly. I'm using gdm+xfce. I'm fully updated. I have seen the same behavior in my 3 archlinux machines. Any ideas whats going on? or I should fill a bug. I yes where in arch or upstream? Hector -- Hector Martínez-Seara Monné mail: hseara(a)gmail.com Tel: +34656271145 Tel: +358442709253

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[arch-general] clipped video output with multihead
by Sébastien le Preste de Vauban 19 Dec '11

19 Dec '11

When I play a video with mplayer2 (also happens with tvtime) MPlayer2 2.0-379-ge3f5043 (C) 2000-2011 MPlayer Team 162 audio & 361 video codecs I get the following display problem on screen 2 (I use a dual head setup]: http://i42.tinypic.com/2utj482.png fullscreen, http://i43.tinypic.com/33xvg29.png uname -r 3.1.5-1-ARCH X.Org X Server 1.11.3 Release Date: 2011-12-16 lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev 02) 00:06.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P Processor to I/O Memory Interface (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) 02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 02:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) 02:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) glxinfo: name of display: :0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.4 client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI client glx version string: 1.4 GLX version: 1.4 OpenGL vendor string: X.Org R300 Project OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV350 OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.11.2 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 dmesg http://pastebin.com/fBCmFXDb Xorg.log.0 http://pastebin.com/GiCbRu4T

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