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[arch-general] sound busted after upgrade to kernel 2.6.30?
by Chris Brannon 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

My sound was busted yesterday when I upgraded from kernel 2.6.29 to 2.6.30. I had to regenerate my asound.state. At first, I thought it was just my problem, because I use the softvol plugin. This gave me trouble in the past. A friend of mine reported the same experience, so someone else had audio problems on upgrade as well. What happened to ALSA? Did anyone else have the same trouble? Regards, -- Chris

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[arch-general] HELP: dmraid-1.0.0rc15 in testing - Possible Bug: All Partitions are GONE??
by David C. Rankin 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

On Monday 22 June 2009 05:30:20 pm Heinz Mauelshagen wrote: > David, > > you can run "dmraid -an" after closing (e.g. unmounting) > nvidia_ecaejfdip9, which ain't work now any more, because you already > deleted the partition. It'll of course not reappear on reboot. > > "dmsetup remove nvidia_ecaejfdip9" will do the trick without a reboot. > > Regards, > Heinz > Heinz, I may have run into a bug with dmraid-1.0.0rc15, you may want to look at. Tobias (on the Arch list), you may want to look into this as well. I have included the new information at the end of tis message to try and keep the information in context: > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 14:48 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > > Heinz, > > > > I thought I would forward this one to you just in case there is a bug on the > > delete. It is probably just my limited understanding of dmraid, but I thought > > after I deleted the partition in cfdisk and then deactivated the device > > (nvidia_ecaejfdi) node nvidia_ecaejfdip9 should disappear? It is still there. > > How do I get rid of it? This is on Archlinux. Here is a bit more info about my > > setup: > > > > [14:17 archangel:/home/david/archlinux/dmraid] # l /dev/mapper > > total 0 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2009-06-22 13:44 . > > drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 0 2009-06-22 13:44 .. > > crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 60 2009-06-22 01:40 control > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 0 2009-06-22 13:48 nvidia_ecaejfdi > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 2 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_ecaejfdip5 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 3 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_ecaejfdip6 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 4 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_ecaejfdip7 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 5 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_ecaejfdip8 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 10 2009-06-22 13:44 nvidia_ecaejfdip9 > > (I have deleted this in cfdisk) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 1 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_fdaacfde > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 6 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_fdaacfdep5 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 7 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_fdaacfdep6 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 8 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_fdaacfdep7 > > brw------- 1 root disk 254, 9 2009-06-22 01:40 nvidia_fdaacfdep8 > > > > > > [14:13 archangel:/home/david/archlinux/dmraid] # dmraid -rd -v -v > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: asr discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: ddf1 discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: hpt37x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: hpt45x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: isw discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: jmicron discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: lsi discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: nvidia discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: nvidia metadata discovered > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: pdc discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: sil discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdd: via discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: asr discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: ddf1 discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: hpt37x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: hpt45x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: isw discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: jmicron discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: lsi discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: nvidia discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: nvidia metadata discovered > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: pdc discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: sil discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdc: via discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: asr discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: ddf1 discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: hpt37x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: hpt45x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: isw discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: jmicron discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: lsi discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: nvidia discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: nvidia metadata discovered > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: pdc discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: sil discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sdb: via discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: asr discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: ddf1 discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: hpt37x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: hpt45x discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: isw discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: jmicron discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: lsi discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: nvidia discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: nvidia metadata discovered > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: pdc discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: sil discovering > > NOTICE: /dev/sda: via discovering > > INFO: RAID devices discovered: > > > > /dev/sdd: nvidia, "nvidia_ecaejfdi", mirror, ok, 1465149166 sectors, data@ 0 > > /dev/sdc: nvidia, "nvidia_fdaacfde", mirror, ok, 976773166 sectors, data@ 0 > > /dev/sdb: nvidia, "nvidia_ecaejfdi", mirror, ok, 1465149166 sectors, data@ 0 > > /dev/sda: nvidia, "nvidia_fdaacfde", mirror, ok, 976773166 sectors, data@ 0 > > [14:13 archangel:/home/david/archlinux/dmraid] # mc > > All was fine yesterday. Everything seemed to work well. Today, I am dead in the water and for some reason, all my partitions are gone from my Archlinux install with the new dmraid. Here is the problem: Today, I rebooted the Archlinux (hostname Archangel) install that is using dmraid-1.0.0rc15 the boot failed. Archlinux is running on nvidia_ecaejfdi (sdb/sdd - 2 500 Gig. Seagate Drives: ST3500630AS). However, when I booted to openSuSE 11.0 (hostname Ecstasy) running dmraid-1.0.0.rc14-63.1 sdb/sdd - 2 750 Gig. Seagate Drives: ST3750330AS), I lost all the nvidia_ecaejfdi devices and could not mount any of my archlinux partitions while running openSuSE. Here are the errors and information: 12:52 ecstasy:~> mount_arch Mounting 750G dmraid partitions under /mnt/arch mounting /dev/mapper/nvidia_ecaejfdi_part5 --> /mnt/arch/ mount: special device /dev/mapper/nvidia_ecaejfdi_part5 does not exist /mnt/arch/root/ -- Failed, Cancelling mount & exiting... (OK, I thought I just needed to adjust the mapper label to "ecaejfdip5" here. That wasn't the case) 12:52 ecstasy:~> l /dev/mapper total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 200 2009-06-23 12:48 ./ drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4960 2009-06-23 12:49 ../ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2009-06-23 12:48 control -> ../device-mapper brw------- 1 root root 253, 0 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_ecaejfdi brw------- 1 root root 253, 1 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde brw------- 1 root root 253, 2 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part1 brw------- 1 root root 253, 3 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part5 brw------- 1 root root 253, 4 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part6 brw------- 1 root root 253, 5 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part7 brw------- 1 root root 253, 6 2009-06-23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part8 12:53 ecstasy:~> su - Password: [12:53 ecstasy:~] # dmraid -ay RAID set "nvidia_ecaejfdi" already active RAID set "nvidia_fdaacfde" already active [12:53 ecstasy:~] # l /dev/mapper total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 280 Jun 23 12:53 ./ drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 5040 Jun 23 12:54 ../ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 23 12:48 control -> ../device-mapper brw------- 1 root root 253, 0 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_ecaejfdi brw------- 1 root root 253, 1 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde brw------- 1 root root 253, 7 Jun 23 12:53 nvidia_fdaacfde5 brw------- 1 root root 253, 8 Jun 23 12:53 nvidia_fdaacfde6 brw------- 1 root root 253, 9 Jun 23 12:53 nvidia_fdaacfde7 brw------- 1 root root 253, 10 Jun 23 12:53 nvidia_fdaacfde8 brw------- 1 root root 253, 2 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part1 brw------- 1 root root 253, 3 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part5 brw------- 1 root root 253, 4 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part6 brw------- 1 root root 253, 5 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part7 brw------- 1 root root 253, 6 Jun 23 12:48 nvidia_fdaacfde_part8 You can see above that when booting opensuse with (dmraid-1.0.0.rc14-63.1), All nvidia_fdaacfde partitions have been "Duplicated". Once with a simple number '5-8' and again with the old style '_part5-_part8', -- and -- no partitions were created for "nvidia_ecaejfdi." Now this should not be happening. It is also confirmed with: 16:04 ecstasy:~> cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 8 0 488386584 sda 8 1 1 sda1 8 5 72229 sda5 8 6 2104483 sda6 8 7 20972826 sda7 8 8 465234336 sda8 8 16 732574584 sdb 8 32 488386584 sdc 8 33 1 sdc1 8 37 72229 sdc5 8 38 2104483 sdc6 8 39 20972826 sdc7 8 40 465234336 sdc8 8 48 732574584 sdd 253 0 732574583 dm-0 253 1 488386583 dm-1 253 2 488384001 dm-2 253 3 72229 dm-3 253 4 2104483 dm-4 253 5 20972826 dm-5 253 6 465234336 dm-6 Now this is very scary looking. The sdb[5-8] and sdd[5-8] partitions are GONE?? (Bummer..) Obviously, I can no longer boot archlinux?? As I mentioned earlier, the Archlinux install on this box is just for testing and if there is no way to recover it, I'll just reinstall, but I would like to try and get it back. I have saved all the 'fdisk -l' information for the partitions and I might have the dmraid -D information around somewhere. One more potential culprit is the kernel update that was applied before I rebooted the machine: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35338866 2009-06-23 14:23 /var/cache/pacman/pkg/kernel26-2.6.30-5-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz I strongly suspect that is a player in this problem. So I need help from anyone on the Arch list or you Heinz or Tobias that might be able to suggest a way to recover from this problem. Any thoughts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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[arch-general] okular print preview error
by prad 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

when i try to do a print preview with okular i get a dialogbox saying it couldn't open an okular.ps file in /tmp. this is weird too because the file has rw permissions for the user. suggestions? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [idea] global link database for all packages
by Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Pierre Schmitz wrote: > Hi, > > I just got an idea which might be worth to think about. Namcap is quite useful > but due to its limitation of only seeing a certain pkg file at a time it > cannot answer all questions. > > The idea is to create a database (similar to the file list we already create) > which includes lists of files and to which they are linked. <snip> Hi, Some times ago I sended to the list this: http://github.com/djgera/pkgdyn For the database output and output usable data: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.the-BIG-dependency-fami… -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D

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[arch-general] KDE4.3 Beta - Rocks, still a bit rough, but very usable as a primary desktop
by David C. Rankin 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Listmates, Having been a leading pessimist of KDE4 since a crippled 4.04 was dumped on the openSuSE community on 11.0 and then more disappointment dumped again with kde 4.1 in 11.1, I have been skeptical if the desktop, which from first looks was something developed by teenagers on way too much Jolt Soda, would ever get to a usable state. Well for the past week I took the plunge again with openSuSE's 4.3Beta1 1- click install on my spare drive, and ... I never thought I would type these words, but I like it! It is more than usable as a primary desktop. That's not to say it doesn't still need a lot of tlc, but the bugs are largely run of the mill bugs that just need cleanup and aren't showstoppers. One of my biggest bitches has been the fish_kio functionality and the inability to connect to boxes across the internet (fish over lan worked). Well, fish over the internet isn't broken, it's just really screwed up! What that means is that you can actually get fish to connect to a remote box (you just have to repeatedly try the same connection 3-25 times have it connect- crash-disconnect until it actually succeeds in connecting and establishing a session for the first time) The upside? Once you establish the connection to your remote host the first time, fish will re-connect to it as usual. No kidding. Why it craters after connecting and before a fish session is established the on the first 3-25 times is still up in the air, as well as why it continues to work just fine after that... but it does. I have given kde4 on heck of a shakedown and added 15 or so new, along with a couple of old, bugs to bugs.kde.org. Here is a short list of the bugs from the shakedown of kde4 in the past few days (just add the "ID" at the end of: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id= if you want the details) ID Summary 195247 KDE4.3beta1 knotes causes SegFault in Kontact 195259 kmail "message structure" needs show/hide button 195505 Composer Standard Templates Defaults Not Reset After Default Pressed & OK 195635 Konqueror "Tabbed Browsing" Settings Do Not Take Effect until Restart 195808 File Manager Does Not Restore Saved Profile 195697 F8 (show hidden files) Requires Manual Focus on File List 158985 kbattleship freezes when attempting to join lan game 195528 Detail View: Clicking in space between File/Folder name and Size fails to place Focus 195533 kmail: No indication shown for Unread Messages in Collapsed Thread 195343 New sub-basket does not respect color scheme 195623 Basket Groups Not Expanded and Systray Icon Won't Restore Basket App 195489 Organization should be Formatted Name if no Family or Given present 195493 Groupware Integration Authentication Fails after Session Timeout 195523 "Formatted Name" Listbox needs to be accessible outside "Edit Name" subform 195367 fish_kio Fails in kde4.3 for konqueror, kate, kwrite, etc.. 176599 Wish - KfontViewer needs 'next->file' 'previous->file' and 'mark/tag' features 189583 Ability to add submenu "like editors" to kicker panel from classic menu If you have been staying away from kde4 until it was "usable" (as I was), well, "It's Usable!" in 4.3 Beta. The more users that take the plunge now and find the little snafus in their favorite apps and bug it to bugs.kde.org, the quicker it will be "Cleanly Usable" Now all I have to do is figure out how to get 4.3 Beta loaded on my Arch drive and I'll be golden! Seriously, I thought I would load kde4, see what had improved and be disappointed again, probably trash my elegant kde3 install with cross-configuration issues in the process, and have to dump the drive and reinstall. Was I ever pleasantly surprised. If you have been in the same holding-pattern lately in your thinking about kde4 as well -- I bet you will be pleasantly surprised as well ;-) Thank God .. There is hope for KDE4 after all! P.S. To really see the desktop effects as they should be, you need to adjust the "Animation duration" to something that is reasonable for your hardware (it is set to a terrible default for any newer hardware) In kde control center > appearance > desktop effects (then in the individual effect settings) try a setting of about 250ms and go up (most likely) or down by 50ms at a time until the effects smooth out and look right. 250-280ms worked fine on my laptop. I suspect the default is off by a factor of 10 from its intended setting which makes the effects look jerky and crude compared to the compiz effect they were based on. (the default is probably 25ms when it was intended to be 250ms) Anyway, it sure make the effects look much better. The kde4 desktop effects still don't compare to the equivalent compiz effects and there is no equivalent to certain compiz effects I really like (Expo, etc.), but what is there looks pretty darn good for KDE4 all things considered. Give it a go... Now where can I get 4.3 Beta for Arch? or at least a good howto on how to download the build dependencies needed to build from source. I'll check the wiki ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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[arch-general] Update to latest [kde-unstable] - It is looking good!, HAL/d-bus/PolicyKit Change?
by David C. Rankin 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Listmates, Couple of thoughts for this day. Latest updates come with the following praise and questions: (1) kde4.3 beta 2 (4.2.92svn984151-1) - Wow, much crisper, behaving ...well, like it should. Even with the radeonhd driver it feels better than (4.2.90 with fglrx on suse)! (2) all dmraid partitions lost with dmraid-1.0.0rc15 and kernel26-2.6.30-5. (subject of another thread) (3) new kernel also did something to Hal/d-bus/PolicyKit, so I can't access my usb drives again with the brute force approach. Any thoughts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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[arch-general] konversation 1.2 alpha3 (move to extra's)
by Caleb Cushing 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

I've been using the alpha's now for a few weeks, and they appear to be no less stable than the 1.1 version, very few problems (way less buggy than many kde4 apps like koffice, and amarok 2.0 (was). I'd like to suggest moving it to extra's as a way to remove one more package that needs kde3. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [announcement] kernel26 2.6.30 announcement draft
by Grigorios Bouzakis 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas(a)archlinux.org>wrote: > Andreas Radke schrieb: > >> Just a note. The "early" mkinitcpio way of Intel KMS is broken on my >> gf's system resulting in an instant reboot. "Late" kms way is still >> working. I had to use a rescue disc. >> >> Maybe more user will be affected. >> > > That is confusing, as it does exactly the same, just a bit earlier (and it > works here, obviously). > > Although early KMS is only useful for people who enter passphrases during > boot - and people who care about how pretty their screen is - this is > definitely a bug and a weird one. If we can narrow it down that would be > nice. > > To me it happened with the .30-3 or .30-4 kernel from _testing_ and btw my laptop has an nvidia card. Seems i had updated and hadnt rebooted for about a week to check if it actually works. I revented back to .29, along with a downgrade of klibc, mkinitcpio etc, booted and updated to -5 from core this morning. This one works OK. -- Greg

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Re: [arch-general] deps not being properly recognized?
by Andrei Thorp 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Excerpts from Allan McRae's message of Sat Jun 20 21:37:11 -0400 2009: > Caleb Cushing wrote: > > I can't figure out why pacman thinks that deps aren't being fulfilled. > > > > Targets (1): perl-datetime-0.50-1 > > <snip> > > :: perl-datetime-format-strptime: requires perl-datetime>=0.4304 > > > > 50 is not >= 4304 > > Allan Hmm. That's kind of unfortuante. Chances are, .5x is actually meant to be greater than the .4xxx. Guess the best you can do is force it? :S -AT -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) C:\> WIN Bad command or filename C:\> LOSE Loading Microsoft Windows ...

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[arch-general] portable player, usb plugging/mounting problems
by Guilherme M. Nogueira 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Hello dear Arch users, I have a Sansa e200 portable media player and I'm having problems mounting it. It used to work, but I can't recall when (I have been listening to the same stuff for over 4 months now). I'm using arch i686 with core, extra, community, kdemod-core and kdemod-extragear and updated system. The player has two modes, MSC and MTP. I always use it in Mass Storage Class mode. Thing is, when I plug the device with HAL running I get the following: $ dmesg: usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 usb 1-6: configuration #128 chosen from 1 choice scsi24 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 13 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usb 1-6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 scsi25 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 13 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning If I stop HAL deamon, I get this: $ dmesg usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-6: configuration #128 chosen from 1 choice scsi14 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 4 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Sansa e270 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] 11780096 512-byte hardware sectors: (6.03 GB/5.61 GiB) sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 45 00 00 00 sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] 11780096 512-byte hardware sectors: (6.03 GB/5.61 GiB) sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 45 00 00 00 sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk sd 14:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 scsi 14:0:0:1: Direct-Access SanDisk Sansa e270 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] 246016 512-byte hardware sectors: (125 MB/120 MiB) sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Write Protect is off sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Mode Sense: 45 00 00 00 sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] 246016 512-byte hardware sectors: (125 MB/120 MiB) sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Write Protect is off sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Mode Sense: 45 00 00 00 sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through sdc: sdc1 sd 14:0:0:1: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk sd 14:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 usb-storage: device scan complete The output of lsusb is: $ lsusb Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0781:7421 SanDisk Corp. Sansa E200 series I don't really understand why is this, since I read that HAL just gets notified of the new device and provides the interface for other apps, but the kernel and udev are the ones that really do the recognizing and mounting. Since in my mind udev is the one that does the job, I tried following a tip I read in the mainling list archive and created a new udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/sansa.rules with: UBSYSTEMS=="usb", KERNEL=="sd*", ATTRS{idProduct}=="7421",ATTRS{idVendor}=="0781", SYMLINK+="sansa", GROUP="storage" I ask for you help to understand what is going on here. Thank you very much, Guilherme. -- Malformed message exception

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