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[arch-general] defunct packages spooking around
by Firmicus 27 Oct '09

27 Oct '09

Hi folks, Sorry for the halloweenish subject heading ;) I recently got this bug report: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16690 It turned out it was not a bug with the perl package at all, but a problem which occurs when the presumably very old and no longer existing package "termcap-compat" is installed on a system. It was originally installed as a dependency for some other, unidentified package. And it turned out to my surprise that even I still had that package installed! That prompts me to ask the following: Are there other such obsolete packages that typically should no longer be installed on a "clean" Arch Linux system? I am not in favour of automating their removal, of course, but it would be useful to collect a list of such things that we could put in the wiki and/or our monthly newsletter. Another example that comes to mind is the obsolete file /etc/udev/udev.rules that I also still had until recently, and which I have removed after Thomas' suggestion. Please submit your suggestions for the forthcoming "Arch Ghostbusting Day" (aka "The Great Halloween Cleanup")! :) François

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Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend
by b4283 27 Oct '09

27 Oct '09

Still no luck with Pm-utils. It takes about a minute before the keyboard lights and mouse leds to go on, and Caps-Lock key works, so it isn't hanging. I could use the SysRq method to reboot my system, so I guess maybe everything is actually working -- except video. Using Ctrl-Alt-[1-7] to switch between ttys doesn't work, because my monitor doesn't even receive any signal.

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] signoff xfsprogs 3.0.5-1 both arches
by Uli Armbruster 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Hi Because last time a user signoff for xfsprogs was required, I'm doing this now again. I rebootet, right now there's a xfs_fsr running and everything seems to be just fine. If there are more things I should test or run to be sure everything is ok, please just tell me. So signoff i686 Greetz Army * Paul Mattal <paul(a)mattal.com> [26.10.2009 19:03]: > Upstream update to xfsprogs 3.0.5. > > Please signoff both arches. I have tested basic functionality, just > need another sanity signoff. Because this is a limited-use package, > if nobody signs off within a week (by end of day 11/2) I will push > this to core. > > Changes are document here in git: > > http://oss.sgi.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=xfs/cmds/xfsprogs.git;a=summary > > - P

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[arch-general] problem with Exaile - missing dependency somewhere maybe?
by Nebojša Stričević 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

I had problem with Exaile when I try to play radio station. Exaile needs gstreamer's http support, and gstreamer needs libsoup-gnome for that. I didn't had libsoup-gnome installed, only libsoup, and trying to play radio in Exaile caused system to hang. Is that a missing dependency somewhere maybe? Greets, -- Nebojša Stričević

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[arch-general] Splitting up the 'boinc' package
by Karol Babioch 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Hi, I'm new to this mailing list (and to mailing lists itself), so please forgive me any mistakes I'm doing ;). I hope that I use the right list, at least it seems to be the most adequate one ... However I'm participating in some BOINC projects. Although there is a 'boinc' package in the community repository (which was updated just yesterday). First of all I want to ask you why you have updated this package to a unstable version? According to this (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php) page the latest stable version is 6.6.38, but the version in the repository is 6.10.13, which is a development version. Shouldn't there be just stable versions in the repository? Furthermore I think that the package itself should be splitted. I have a root server, which has not X server installed, but want to use boinc there, too. Therefore I think there should be at least two packages 'boinc-client' as well as 'boinc-manager'. The optimum would be even some more packages, something like 'boinc-dev' (all stuff in order to setup an own boinc project). Maybe you can take some inspiration from the debian structure of the boinc packages: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=boinc&searchon=names&suite=stabl… I know that it is possible to create this packages for my own (using abs), but I think it should be available for greater audience. What do you think about this? Would it be ok, to create these packages and submit them to the aur? As there is already a boinc package in the main repository, I don't quite know whether such redundancy is accepted at all? Best regards Karol 'johnpatcher' Babioch -- Karol Babioch <karol(a)babioch.de>

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[arch-general] Rock-n-roll Compiz 8.4 is in the repositories.
by David C. Rankin 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Listmates, Just updated and noticed compiz 8.4 is in the repositories. Can't wait to give it a run-through. Arch has got to be the best distro going at getting new packages built and online. Thanks for the effort! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
by hollunder＠gmx.at 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:49:01 -0500 Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, <hollunder(a)gmx.at> wrote: > > Am I happy to hear that. > > I say this because I'm under the impression that people see only two > > kinds of linux uses: > > 1) The traditional server > > 2) The Desktop > > > > You can, at this time, still do both, but everything in between is > > getting more and more difficult. > > > > The problem is that the Desktop Environments, GNOME and KDE, in > > their quest for "integrated desktop experience" push more and more > > stuff that's really only useful to those DEs deeper and deeper into > > the system. > > If you as a user need or want it or not, you get it. > > > > > > I'd like to provide an example. > > I'm using an oldish PC and like to pick the apps I use myself, > > therefor the DE's so-called 'integration' is just unnecessary and > > rather hindering in the background. I also like configuration. Those > > are the main reasons I don't use DEs. > > > > Recently I tried to figure out what console-kit is actually good > > for. Here's an excerpt of the manual that I especially like: > > Defining the Problem > > To be written. > > http://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html#id312255 > > > > I figured out that it's only useful for something called 'fast user > > switching', something I definitely don't need. > > When trying to remove it I figured that HAL requires it. > > HAL also requires something called policy-kit, yet another thing I > > don't know what it does. > > I recompiled HAL without either, and the system still works as > > before. > > > > Somewhere during the research I figured that HAL is supposed to be > > replaced by something called device-kit. HAL isn't really needed > > says the author in an email, pretty much all the work is done by > > udev etc.. So I figured, hey, why not just remove HAL, this way the > > kits won't come back with the next update, and all I use HAL for is > > mounting usb drives, something that can be done with udev rules as > > well. > > > > Well, trying to do this I found five apps requiring it, the most > > surprising: xorg-server > > > > Conclusion: > > Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you > > get is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster DE. > > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being > > intrusive? They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE > > and can't ever imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > > Sorry for this "slightly" off topic rant, but it annoys me on a > > regular basis when I see applications depend on gnome or kde, > > mostly for some stupid reason called 'integration' which really > > isn't of much use in the specific DE they integrate with and a > > hindrance to everyone who's not running exactly that DE. > > > > So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond > > the bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time > > we need real integration, real solutions and still > > freedom of choice. > > Just a personal reply to say that I loved this email. I've been so > enraged with this recently. I actually get _angry_ about the xorg hal > integration (I have never used hal) - as it means that BY DEFAULT > starting xorg fails because it has no keyboard or mouse; you can, > thankfully, shut off the hal integration with a Option > "AutoAddDevices" "False" in the ServerFlags section of xorg.conf. But > still, what the fuck? For all the history of xorg, it has correctly > done the basics of detection a ordinary mouse and keyboard. But not > any longer. For what reason? I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA! > > Thanks for the email. It makes me feel like I'm not alone in my > absolute hatred for the direction these things are going. Thanks for your reply Arvid and Aaron. I'm sure there are a lot more people who feel this way, your replies make me a bit more confident that this situation can be changed. Maybe something can be done on Arch to work against this development? The closer to the core a package is the more careful we have to be with dependencies, I think. It's easy to replace a text editor, impossible to replace xorg, etc.. The other thing I can think of is talking to upstream. Maybe they're not that aware of this issue and think along the lines of: "Everyone has HAL installed anyway, it's no problem if we use it to do xyz." Philipp

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[arch-general] polkit v.s policykit
by Mathieu Clabaut 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Hello all, It appears I've got two similar packages on my computer: - polkit, which is needed by the following packages : :: consolekit: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: devicekit-disks: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: devicekit-power: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: gconf: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: polkit-gnome: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: system-tools-backends: requiert polkit>=0.94 -policykit, which is needed by the following packages : :: hal: requiert policykit>=0.9-6 :: polkit-qt: requiert policykit :: pulseaudio: requiert policykit As noted on the forum ( http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=644090#p644090) they do not reference the same policy rules. My guess is that policykit is due to be removed and replaced by polkit. But in the meanwhile the system-wide privileges are very difficult to manage ! Can someone tell me more about those packages ? What shall I do to have a functional privilege management ? Thanks for any tip, -Mathieu

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[arch-general] Hardinfo doesn´t show USB Infos after Kernel Update
by Jürgen Hagemann 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Hello. after a kernel Update, hardinfo from community repo doesn´t show any USB Device Informations. If I boot my alternate LTS-Kernel all infos are shown. -- Jürgen

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[arch-general] Xorg strange keyboard behaviour
by Philipp Gesang 26 Oct '09

26 Oct '09

Good morning, since a few days I'm experiencing an unwanted behaviour in X: after some time, apparently when cycling keyboard layouts, the key just don't work as expected anymore. For example pressing RALT will give return, the left arrow will be remapped to change group etc. Terminating and restarting X will remove the problem; everything works fine on terminals. The error is not reproducible but seems to be related to/caused by layout switching. And I'm switching very often. I'm using Openbox 3.4.7.2, Kxkb, Xorg 1.6.3.901-1. On my second box where I use wmii with keybound scripts for layout switching the error didn't show up yet. I'm appending xorg.conf, xkb configuration, and selected output of xev _after_ the error occured. Feel free to request any logs. Thanks for Your help! Philipp setxkbmap -print http://pastie.org/private/uxqg99n6uhap9dknis1gig xorg.conf http://pastie.org/private/qchqolhh0dltdtidnrxb6q xevents http://pastie.org/private/1a6edox5b1r8fdvkbbxoq

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