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Re: [arch-general] 22 fan site
by timetrap＠gmail.com 14 Nov '08

14 Nov '08

I thought that mailing lists and personal productivity were mutually exclusive. ------Original Message------ From: RedShift Sender: arch-general-bounces(a)archlinux.org To: General Discusson about Arch Linux ReplyTo: General Discusson about Arch Linux Subject: Re: [arch-general] 22 fan site Sent: Nov 14, 2008 05:52 Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. wrote: > http://ruger22.com/newpages/newindex.htm You cost me 5 minutes of my productivity, I'm invoicing you for that! ;-) Glenn

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[arch-general] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.27.6-1
by Tobias Powalowski 14 Nov '08

14 Nov '08

Hi guys, new kernel adresses the following things: - bump to latest version please signoff for both arches, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-general] bitlbee *very* out-of-date
by kludge 13 Nov '08

13 Nov '08

hola, i'm currently rebuilding bitlbee to version 1.2.3 with a modified PKGBUILD from abs. the package in [extra] is only at version 1.0.4. it was last update two months ago today; that's six days *after* the current version was released upstream! for a while, there was no listed maintainer. then it was simo. now it's jeff mickey. i don't know how to find jeff, and over on the forum, it was suggested i post here. so... who's maintaining bitlbee, and you wanna roll up an updated package? many thanks! yrs, kludge

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[arch-general] php5.2.6 and iconv support failure
by Adam Stokes 13 Nov '08

13 Nov '08

iconv support does not seem to be complete in this package : Sample code : <?php echo iconv("ISO-8859-1", "UTF-8", "This is a test."); ?> php -i : Configure Command => './configure' '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc/php' '--with-layout=GNU' '--with-config-file-path=/etc/php' '--with-config-file-scan-dir=/etc/php/conf.d' '--enable-inline-optimization' '--disable-debug' '--disable-rpath' '--disable-static' '--enable-shared' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--disable-cgi' '--with-readline' '--enable-pcntl' '--with-pear=/usr/share/pear' '--with-openssl=shared' '--with-zlib=shared' '--enable-bcmath=shared' '--with-bz2=shared' '--enable-calendar=shared' '--with-curl=shared' '--enable-dba=shared' '--without-db2' '--without-db3' '--with-db4=shared' '--with-gdbm=shared' '--enable-dbase=shared' '--enable-exif=shared' '--enable-ftp=shared' '--with-gd=shared' '--enable-gd-native-ttf' '--with-jpeg-dir=shared,/usr' '--with-png-dir=shared,/usr' '--with-gettext=shared' '--with-imap=shared' '--with-imap-ssl=shared' '--with-ldap=shared' '--enable-mbstring=shared' '--with-mcrypt=shared' '--with-mysql=shared' '--with-mysql-sock=/tmp/mysql.sock' '--with-mysql=shared' '--with-mysqli=shared' '--with-ncurses=shared' '--with-unixODBC=shared,/usr' '--enable-pdo=shared' '--with-pdo-mysql=shared' '--with-pdo-sqlite=shared' '--with-pdo-odbc=shared,unixODBC,/usr' '--with-pdo-pgsql=shared' '--with-sqlite=shared' '--with-pgsql=shared' '--enable-shmop=shared' '--with-snmp=shared' '--enable-soap=shared' '--enable-sqlite-utf8=shared' '--enable-sysvmsg=shared' '--enable-sysvsem=shared' '--enable-sysvshm=shared' '--with-tidy=shared' '--with-xsl=shared' '--enable-zip=shared' '--enable-posix=shared' '--enable-sockets=shared' '--enable-xml' '--with-ttf=shared' '--enable-session=shared' '--with-regex=php' '--with-pcre-regex=/usr' '--enable-mbstring=all' '--enable-mbregex' '--enable-json=shared' '--with-iconv=shared' '--with-xmlrpc=shared' '--with-pspell=shared' '--with-freetype-dir=shared,/usr' '--with-mime-magic=shared' -- is it a configuration issue on my end or are we missing something during buildtime? thanks -- ( adam stokes ) || ( adam.stokes(a)gmail.com )

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[arch-general] Does anyone has this problem with Monodoc?
by Tomás Acauan Schertel 13 Nov '08

13 Nov '08

Any Ideas? [tomas@myhost ~]$ monodoc using Gecko using Gecko Stacktrace: at (wrapper managed-to-native) Gtk.Notebook.gtk_notebook_set_current_page (intptr,int) <0x00004> at (wrapper managed-to-native) Gtk.Notebook.gtk_notebook_set_current_page (intptr,int) <0xffffffff> at Gtk.Notebook.set_CurrentPage (int) <0x0001d> at Monodoc.Browser.AddTab () <0x000ca> at Monodoc.Browser..ctor (string) <0x00380> at Monodoc.Driver.Main (string[]) <0x00387> at (wrapper runtime-invoke) Monodoc.Driver.runtime_invoke_int_string[] (object,intptr,intptr,intptr) <0xffffffff> Native stacktrace: /usr/bin/mono [0x806ce6f] /usr/bin/mono [0x8085a1b] /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so [0xb536c063] [0xb7f09400] /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so [0xb535c87c] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID+0x84) [0xb685e254] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb684f349] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0x1b3) [0xb6850bd3] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb6864686] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x7e4) [0xb6866364] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x26) [0xb68667c6] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_realize+0xb1) [0xb6e89871] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_map+0xf0) [0xb6e8a170] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6cad52d] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_container_forall+0x96) [0xb6ce3676] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6ce577b] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID+0x84) [0xb685e254] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb684f349] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0xe0) [0xb6850b00] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb6864686] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x7e4) [0xb6866364] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x26) [0xb68667c6] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_map+0x9c) [0xb6e8a11c] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6cad52d] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6dc8385] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_container_forall+0x96) [0xb6ce3676] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6ce577b] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID+0x84) [0xb685e254] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb684f349] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0xe0) [0xb6850b00] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb6864686] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x7e4) [0xb6866364] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x26) [0xb68667c6] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_map+0x9c) [0xb6e8a11c] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6d8d774] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID+0x84) [0xb685e254] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb684f349] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0x1b3) [0xb6850bd3] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb6864686] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x7e4) [0xb6866364] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x26) [0xb68667c6] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_map+0x9c) [0xb6e8a11c] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_set_child_visible+0xfd) [0xb6e8a2dd] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6d89b62] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6d68a43] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb684f349] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0x1b3) [0xb6850bd3] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 [0xb6864ad5] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x7e4) [0xb6866364] /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x26) [0xb68667c6] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [0xb6d82d54] [0xb4ce134f] [0xb4ce130e] [0xb5d3cdd3] [0xb6565041] [0xb784a8b8] [0xb784a1bc] /usr/bin/mono(mono_runtime_exec_main+0x16e) [0x813ca6e] /usr/bin/mono(mono_runtime_run_main+0x16b) [0x813d15b] /usr/bin/mono(mono_main+0x16df) [0x805c6bf] /usr/bin/mono [0x805aa62] /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5) [0xb7cc45c5] /usr/bin/mono [0x805a9a1] Debug info from gdb: ================================================================= Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code. This usually indicates a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries used by your application. ================================================================= Aborted -- Tomás A. Schertel tschertel[at]gmail.com tomas[at]archlinux-br.org ---------------------------------------------- Arch Linux User http://www.archlinux-br.org/ Linux Registered User #304838 ----------------------------------------------

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[arch-general] /arch/setup -> grub '#-*' marker in menu.lst
by Dieter Plaetinck 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

Hi, seen in http://projects.archlinux.org/?p=installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=setup;hb=HEAD : # remove default entries by truncating file at our little tag (#-*) sed -i -e '/#-\*/q' Shouldn't it be: sed -i -e '/#-\*/q' $grubmenu instead of just: sed -i -e '/#-\*/q' ? ( $grubmenu == $DESTDIR/boot/grub/menu.lst ) Also, where does the '#-*' tag come from? I can't find any reference to this (no other occurrences in install script). Thanks, Dieter

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[arch-general] Problems with compiling packages
by Baho Utot 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

I have installed Arch Linux on an old machine that has an AMD 800 slot A processor. I am trying to rebuild all of the core packages using makeworld. The CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are set for an athlon. I have also found that some of the core packages fail to build even with the default make flags. Maybe it is a gcc 4.3.2 issue. What is the best way to report the errors or get help resolving the failures. I have also found that some of the source tarballs are not available at the URL given in the PKGBUILD file. I have found them in other mirrors ie gentoo or debian etc. Should I report these as out of date ?

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] pkgstats: first results
by RedShift 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Pierre Schmitz wrote: > Hi all, > > I think you all are interested in the result of Allan's crazy idea to get some > stats about package usage. I spent some/alot time this weekend to present you > some stats. > > At first: I played a bit with gettext and some usefull pages are available in > German and English (depends on your browser's config): > > * http://www.archlinux.de/?page=ArchitectureDifferences > * http://www.archlinux.de/?page=MirrorStatus > * http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics (That's the one; be warnded: > atm it loads > 2MB of pure > HTML!) > > For those who want to play with some sql queries, I have uploaded a (reduced) > db-snapshot: http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre/tmp/pkgdb-stripped.sql.gz > > Before announcing this we should discuss the results and talk about what we > learn about them. > > I'll make a start: (topdown) > > * extra and community have similar size > * more than 1200 submissions since friday. Thanks! :-) > * installation size varies from 126 to amazing 2800 > * 1/4 use x86_64 > * Nearly 70% of packages are from extra. Nice. > * Only 7% are installed from community and a similar amount > is in no official repo (Might be a sign that there is something wrong with > priorities in [community]) > * About 2% from extra and 3% from community aren't used by anybody! > The unused kde-l10n pacakges are no problem; I create them automatically > * Nearly 20% of all users (that includes 3/4 i686) use lib32 packages. > * There are lots of rarly used packages in all repos > * kdemod-kdelibs is installed by 14,26 % while kdelibs fomr [extra] is > installed by 34,05 %. Maybe splitting support in makepkg and devtools should > get a higher priority > > ...that should do it for a start. > Just a warning, generalizing based on these numbers (and on any numbers in fact) is very dangerous. Glenn

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[arch-general] Mailing Lists Netiquette
by Charly Ghislain 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Hi, I just thought it might be usefull for some to (re)read this article : Things Worth Knowing About Mailing Lists http://www.ualberta.ca/~pletendr/list-net.html Regards, Charly

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[arch-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] pkgstats: first results
by w9ya 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, w9ya <w9ya(a)qrparci.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, w9ya <w9ya(a)qrparci.net> wrote: > >> > The TU system was a DIRECT outgrowth of the earlier efforts to find a > >> > place > >> > for users with significant output to be hosted BY the archlinux > systems > >> > >> This is about the hundredth time I've seen the "this is how it used to > >> be" argument. It's stupid. I don't care how the TU system used to be. > >> I don't. I care about how the TU system *is*. So let's talk about the > >> present, and not the past please. > >> > >> I don't care about WHY things were instituted. They've grown and > >> changed. If you're not happy with it, then start a new group that fits > >> your ideals better. > > > > Aaron; this issue does not concern merely myself. Nor is the history > merely > > a personal item. I have *ONLY* spoken about the goals as well as the > > structure that was implemented to achieve these goals in my history > > missives. And OF COURSE that SHOULD BE important as it *IS* the reason > > things are constituted as they are. > > > > As I said in an earlier post, if YOU want to change things, you certainly > > can. No one will stop you. You are the nominal leader. > > > > If you do not like my posting about what reasons are the basis for why > > things are as they are, you can certainly speak out in the manner you > have > > immediately above. But short of "kicking me out" that will not matter > much > > to me as it is not the purpose for our discussion. > > > > One small piece of advice; if you decide to ask people that disagree with > > you to consider leaving, please be sure to make a list of such people; > > prepared before you do ask them to consider leaving. Then, and only > then, > > do your "asking" ALL at once. Someone much wiser than myself told me > that > > to ask people to leave a small number at a time leaves you with enemies > > within your mists that will choose to worry about their own issues > INSTEAD > > of your own. As a leader of men and women you should be aware of that. > > > > Otherwise please be less strident, as it will serve you better. > > I never asked anyone to leave. You're putting quite a lot of words in > my mouth. The point is that as the TU system "used to be", there was > no AUR, no community repo, nothing. It was a collection of remote > repos that were collected in a wiki page. Then we got a unified repo > (incoming, and later community), and then everything else was built on > top of it. Well asking me consider other things elsewhere ala this quoted from above; " I don't care about WHY things were instituted. They've grown and changed. If you're not happy with it, then start a new group that fits your ideals better." AFTER saying that my discussion items were "stupid". It sure seems like you saying that this is a stupid discussion and I should go elsewhere if I am not happy. BESIDES I used the wording "if" that was what you meant. I really only saw angry in your post. (AND I have seen people fired just this way.) Nope. Not a wiki page and NOT a collection in diverse locations as a start. I described this elsewhere earlier today. Please go re-read it. But yes, things were built on top of it. However until this point today, no one has successfully mutated the TU/community system into a statistic driven/based system. My history lesson was designed to point this out. I said as much about the promises that were made about how the voting was meant to be used and what it would NOT be used for. For the record, and as you know becuase you participated a bit the last time, this idea of morphing the voting system into a pre-requisite of sorts was chanllenged within the last two years BECAUSE of the history lessons myself AND OTHERS brought out. I am truly sorry if this annoys you enough to call discussing the history of earlier AUR stuff: "it's stupid", but it really does have bearing.right now. > Simply put: you can keep talking about how the system "used to be" as > much as you want, but understand that that was BEFORE the AUR and > BEFORE we had so many people doing these things. As with any body of > people, the higher the population, the harder it is to keep tabs on > things. With 5 TUs, it's easy to say "do what you want", but when we > get the numbers we have today, rules need to be used. > Nope. It was/am taliking about why things are the way they are NOW as well. TUs are allowed discretion BY DESIGN. > Rather than sitting here saying "We never used to have rules! Oh em > gee!", we can do two things: change the existing rules, or start a new > body of people who are ungoverned. Yes, **you** can change the rules. However you should seek to be sure that you are doing so for good reasons, not just 'a reason'. Be sure to take the time to allow for discussion and NOT call such discussion "stupid", as ignoring someone else's imput will generally lead to unintended consequences. If nothing else ignoring history means you cannot make a fully imformed diecision. Wiser minds than my own have taught me at least that. > > > In suggesting another group that is ungoverned in the way you suggest, > I was not saying "leave this one and start your own". I was saying "do > both and compare" > O.k.... well try to not be so strident with things like "It's stupid" when someone tells you about reasons and goals and results. That may be "history" lesson, but it also may just hold something you have not considered because you did not know of it. Best regards; Bob Finch

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